Is there any other pairs that are yet to appear, aside from the ones described in
New Dungeon Screenshots & Discussion Thread - #420 by CaptainAwesome ?
It would seem that there’s at least one more impossible pair in the mix that’s preventing 123 from happening
It seems that there are no other pairs. But there are threes and, most likely, fours. But there is too little data to say with certainty.
I haven’t looked at the data closely, but maybe it’s not a problem with the bosses - it’s that the bosses being in 123 would force an impossible combination in 456.
The spawn rules seem to prevent two rooms being transposed (the dragon in room 6, and the treasure in room 3, for example) in some cases.
If the bosses were in 123, they’d be in a 3-cycle (such as boss 1 where boss 2 can’t spawn, boss 2 where dragon can’t spawn, dragon where boss 1 can’t spawn). This would also force the 2 traps and special room to be in a 3-cycle in the bottom row.
I’m sure not all 3-cycles are banned (right?) but if either one of these two can’t happen, you can’t have bosses in 123.
Edit: Banning bosses in 123 seems particularly cruel to design, because many players assuming random will just pick 123 every day. I’d suspect it’s a side-effect of something elsewhere on the board.
For both 1B3, 2B1, 3B2 and 1B2, 2B3, 3B1
4S, 5DT, 6RT
4RT, 5S, 6DT
should still be in play as possible combinations. (Assuming 1,2,3 can actually occur)
These 2-pair rules are surprisingly independent of each other.
Sorry guys. I found an error in my data. Corrected the inverted table.
But also If I set 1B3, 2B1 in the filter, then I see that the options 3B2 become impossible
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dragon | Boss1 | Special | Random Trap | Boss2 | Daily Trap |
| Dragon | Boss1 | Special | Boss2 | Daily Trap | Random Trap |
| Dragon | Boss1 | Daily Trap | Random Trap | Special | Boss2 |
| Dragon | Boss1 | Special | Boss2 | Daily Trap | Random Trap |
| Dragon | Boss1 | Daily Trap | Special | Boss2 | Random Trap |
| Dragon | Boss1 | Random Trap | Special | Daily Trap | Boss2 |
| Dragon | Boss1 | Daily Trap | Random Trap | Special | Boss2 |
If you mind me asking, what makes it impossible?
Before AMT found the pairing rule, I was trying to analyze why certain combinations didn’t appear like 1,2,3 and the other top row permutations. There were a lot of other missing combinations so I gave up. The pairing rule narrowing down the combinations leaves only a few we haven’t seen yet in this thread.
I did this quickly, late at night, so someone may want to double check later. I calculated 62 possible combinations for the 3 boss rooms using the 2 rules we have. We’ve seen 58 so far, some of them only occurring once, others up to 9 times. The missing 4 are:
EDIT: Messed up some of the logic when generating the list. Removed some that shouldn’t have been there.
| Boss 1 | Boss 2 | Dragon |
|---|---|---|
| Door 2 | Door 3 | Door 1 |
| Door 2 | Door 4 | Door 6 |
| Door 2 | Door 5 | Door 6 |
| Door 3 | Door 1 | Door 2 |
I don’t think we can definitively say these are impossible combinations, but something may be there preventing these?
| Boss 1 | Boss 2 | Boss 3 | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Door 2 | Door 3 | Door 1 |
| 2 | Door 2 | Door 3 | Door 4 |
| 3 | Door 2 | Door 3 | Door 5 |
| 4 | Door 2 | Door 3 | Door 6 |
| 5 | Door 2 | Door 4 | Door 1 |
| 6 | Door 2 | Door 4 | Door 5 |
| 7 | Door 2 | Door 4 | Door 6 |
| 8 | Door 2 | Door 5 | Door 1 |
| 9 | Door 2 | Door 5 | Door 4 |
| 10 | Door 2 | Door 5 | Door 6 |
| 11 | Door 2 | Door 6 | Door 1 |
| 12 | Door 2 | Door 6 | Door 4 |
| 13 | Door 2 | Door 6 | Door 5 |
| 14 | Door 3 | Door 1 | Door 2 |
| 15 | Door 3 | Door 1 | Door 4 |
| 16 | Door 3 | Door 1 | Door 5 |
| 17 | Door 3 | Door 1 | Door 6 |
| 18 | Door 3 | Door 4 | Door 2 |
| 19 | Door 3 | Door 4 | Door 5 |
| 20 | Door 3 | Door 4 | Door 6 |
| 21 | Door 3 | Door 5 | Door 2 |
| 22 | Door 3 | Door 5 | Door 4 |
| 23 | Door 3 | Door 5 | Door 6 |
| 24 | Door 3 | Door 6 | Door 2 |
| 25 | Door 3 | Door 6 | Door 4 |
| 26 | Door 3 | Door 6 | Door 5 |
| 27 | Door 4 | Door 1 | Door 2 |
| 28 | Door 4 | Door 1 | Door 5 |
| 29 | Door 4 | Door 1 | Door 6 |
| 30 | Door 4 | Door 3 | Door 1 |
| 31 | Door 4 | Door 3 | Door 5 |
| 32 | Door 4 | Door 3 | Door 6 |
| 33 | Door 4 | Door 5 | Door 1 |
| 34 | Door 4 | Door 5 | Door 2 |
| 35 | Door 4 | Door 5 | Door 6 |
| 36 | Door 4 | Door 6 | Door 1 |
| 37 | Door 4 | Door 6 | Door 2 |
| 38 | Door 4 | Door 6 | Door 5 |
| 39 | Door 5 | Door 1 | Door 2 |
| 40 | Door 5 | Door 1 | Door 4 |
| 41 | Door 5 | Door 1 | Door 6 |
| 42 | Door 5 | Door 3 | Door 1 |
| 43 | Door 5 | Door 3 | Door 4 |
| 44 | Door 5 | Door 3 | Door 6 |
| 45 | Door 5 | Door 4 | Door 1 |
| 46 | Door 5 | Door 4 | Door 2 |
| 47 | Door 5 | Door 4 | Door 6 |
| 48 | Door 5 | Door 6 | Door 1 |
| 49 | Door 5 | Door 6 | Door 2 |
| 50 | Door 5 | Door 6 | Door 4 |
| 51 | Door 6 | Door 1 | Door 2 |
| 52 | Door 6 | Door 1 | Door 4 |
| 53 | Door 6 | Door 1 | Door 5 |
| 54 | Door 6 | Door 3 | Door 1 |
| 55 | Door 6 | Door 3 | Door 4 |
| 56 | Door 6 | Door 3 | Door 5 |
| 57 | Door 6 | Door 4 | Door 1 |
| 58 | Door 6 | Door 4 | Door 2 |
| 59 | Door 6 | Door 4 | Door 5 |
| 60 | Door 6 | Door 5 | Door 1 |
| 61 | Door 6 | Door 5 | Door 2 |
| 62 | Door 6 | Door 5 | Door 4 |
| Boss 1 | Boss 2 | Boss 3 | Count | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Door 4 | Door 1 | Door 5 | 9 |
| 2 | Door 2 | Door 6 | Door 4 | 8 |
| 3 | Door 4 | Door 1 | Door 2 | 8 |
| 4 | Door 2 | Door 3 | Door 4 | 7 |
| 5 | Door 4 | Door 3 | Door 1 | 7 |
| 6 | Door 5 | Door 3 | Door 1 | 7 |
| 7 | Door 5 | Door 4 | Door 2 | 7 |
| 8 | Door 4 | Door 6 | Door 5 | 6 |
| 9 | Door 5 | Door 6 | Door 1 | 6 |
| 10 | Door 6 | Door 4 | Door 1 | 6 |
| 11 | Door 3 | Door 5 | Door 6 | 5 |
| 12 | Door 5 | Door 6 | Door 4 | 5 |
| 13 | Door 6 | Door 1 | Door 4 | 5 |
| 14 | Door 2 | Door 6 | Door 5 | 4 |
| 15 | Door 3 | Door 1 | Door 5 | 4 |
| 16 | Door 4 | Door 1 | Door 6 | 4 |
| 17 | Door 4 | Door 3 | Door 6 | 4 |
| 18 | Door 4 | Door 6 | Door 1 | 4 |
| 19 | Door 4 | Door 6 | Door 2 | 4 |
| 20 | Door 5 | Door 1 | Door 2 | 4 |
| 21 | Door 5 | Door 1 | Door 4 | 4 |
| 22 | Door 5 | Door 3 | Door 6 | 4 |
| 23 | Door 5 | Door 4 | Door 6 | 4 |
| 24 | Door 6 | Door 1 | Door 5 | 4 |
| 25 | Door 6 | Door 4 | Door 5 | 4 |
| 26 | Door 6 | Door 5 | Door 1 | 4 |
| 27 | Door 2 | Door 5 | Door 4 | 3 |
| 28 | Door 2 | Door 6 | Door 1 | 3 |
| 29 | Door 3 | Door 4 | Door 6 | 3 |
| 30 | Door 3 | Door 5 | Door 2 | 3 |
| 31 | Door 3 | Door 5 | Door 4 | 3 |
| 32 | Door 3 | Door 6 | Door 4 | 3 |
| 33 | Door 4 | Door 5 | Door 1 | 3 |
| 34 | Door 5 | Door 4 | Door 1 | 3 |
| 35 | Door 5 | Door 6 | Door 2 | 3 |
| 36 | Door 6 | Door 1 | Door 2 | 3 |
| 37 | Door 6 | Door 3 | Door 4 | 3 |
| 38 | Door 6 | Door 3 | Door 5 | 3 |
| 39 | Door 6 | Door 4 | Door 2 | 3 |
| 40 | Door 6 | Door 5 | Door 2 | 3 |
| 41 | Door 6 | Door 5 | Door 4 | 3 |
| 42 | Door 2 | Door 3 | Door 5 | 2 |
| 43 | Door 2 | Door 3 | Door 6 | 2 |
| 44 | Door 2 | Door 4 | Door 1 | 2 |
| 45 | Door 2 | Door 4 | Door 5 | 2 |
| 46 | Door 2 | Door 5 | Door 1 | 2 |
| 47 | Door 3 | Door 1 | Door 6 | 2 |
| 48 | Door 3 | Door 4 | Door 5 | 2 |
| 49 | Door 3 | Door 6 | Door 2 | 2 |
| 50 | Door 3 | Door 6 | Door 5 | 2 |
| 51 | Door 4 | Door 5 | Door 2 | 2 |
| 52 | Door 4 | Door 5 | Door 6 | 2 |
| 53 | Door 5 | Door 1 | Door 6 | 2 |
| 54 | Door 5 | Door 3 | Door 4 | 2 |
| 55 | Door 3 | Door 1 | Door 4 | 1 |
| 56 | Door 3 | Door 4 | Door 2 | 1 |
| 57 | Door 4 | Door 3 | Door 5 | 1 |
| 58 | Door 6 | Door 3 | Door 1 | 1 |
May need more coffee here, but these 3 seem to break the pairing rule
No you’re right. I’ve been wondering why there’s an odd number and just noticed it myself.
dragon/boss1/cursedtrap
altar/spiketrap/boss2
4/5/rip
Kinda funny, my entry points are largely useless at this point, and I couldn’t really refer to them today.
Used sls odds’ reader today and it did its job.
https://slothies.neocities.org/gow/odor2.html
Reposting so it doesn’t get buried.
Went 4,5 today as my previous days suggest that they’d largely be safe (thankfully 19 days of 5 stopped yesterday, so I can have a fresh chain).
With better odds on 1 and 2, I went 2 as a feeling that 2,4,5 felt like a proper combination today. I got an Altar instead. I very rarely get a Bonus on 2, and the combinations I do have don’t leave me much to work with.
The two-pair combination ruled out 3, which was actually useful.
I had 1 result with 4,5,6, (2) and 0 result with 1,4,5 (2) since tracked, but 4,5,6 didn’t feel right today/today felt like a 1,2,4,5 day based on thinking on other people’s screenshots, and 1 had the higher odds.
So yeah, following the odds reader was successful today. I definitely stressed people’s charts before picking 1 though.
I’ll take it. Snap my streaks of misses, up to 9 perfect runs.
Brown: 3,5,6 (4 was an altar)
Diamond: 3,4,6 (2 was a diamond bonus)
Blue: 4,5,6 (3 was an altar)
Green: 2,3,5 (4 was an altar)
Red: 4,5,6 (3 was an altar)
Yellow: 3,4,5 (1 was ascending stairs)
Purple: 4,5,6 (2 was ascending stairs)
Brown: 3,5,6 (4 was an altar)
Diamond: 1,2,6 (5 was ascending stairs)
Blue: 3,4,6 (5 was descending stairs to level 3)
Green: 2,4,5 (1 was an altar)
Red: 2,3,6 (5 was descending stairs to level 4)
Yellow: 1,4,5 (3 was an altar)
Purple: 3,5,6 (4 was an altar)
Brown: 1,5,6 (3 was a garnet bonus)
Diamond: 4,5,6 (3 was a diamond bonus)
Blue: 3,5,6 (4 was an altar)
Green: 3,5,6 (2 was descending stairs to level 5)
Red: 2,4,5 (3 was an altar)
Yellow: 1,5,6 (2 was descending stairs to level 6)
Purple: 1,5,6 (4 was an altar)
Brown: 3,4,6 (1 was a garnet bonus)
Diamond: 1,4,5 (2 was an altar)
You should go with 6 after 4 being Special:
Started with 4. Had the choice between 3 & 5 (75% each not being a trap)
Picked 3 
But i was quite easy to dodge the DT from there on 
Could you maybe send pictures of all doors opened instead of the dragonite reward, so I could use your data base too?
Nice, thanks! Now the only ones we haven’t seen are the two top row combinations .
My dungeon today :
