Reacting to this - if you checked our previous results from the past - you would have seen that most of the time - the alliance days were not even our highest score of the week.
All of the members are either afraid to post - and rightfully so - because this is what’s going on.
Could it affect the leaderboards? Well… I think so. I mean - it could have.
But saying it’s the absolute worst thing that has ever happened - the most unfair one, when all guilds are losing tens of battles because of bugs - that tip the balance of winners more than that … I do not agree with that.
Without any call outs - I personally am aware of more than 1 proposals of other guilds, coming for an alliance, to our and other guilds.
… Those that I am aware of - were all turned down. I can’t say if all were turned down - but it’s possible some guilds has been doing this stealthily up to this day.
I believe no one feels like making an alliance with someone just for the sake of points. We have been helping each other long, LONG before GW showed up.
As I have to head for work now - I will leave space for all of you guys to ask questions - of any kind either here or through PMs.
I will do my best to answer all of you as soon as I get back - which I believe will in around 6 hours.
I’m aware a lot of you will have opinions you want to express, and I’ll try to listen to the most of you - and have my, and probably other’s views on it as soon as I get back.
Strange, we are talking about Guild Wars, so I believe its all because of the points. I see no other reasons to think differently, really. Do you mind telling us why someone would decide to make an alliance in Guild Wars if it was not for the points?
Because it requires some level of coordination, which tends to translate to quite a bit of work? You could ask the same question about account sharing to place well in PvP.
No, it is just stupid to see you try to defend this. No matter what you shows us, we will believe it was all about the points, everything other comes after…
You are totally wrong again. If alliances in Guild Wars was common nature we all surely would easily found someone to go in alliance with as all guilds in bracket 1 would be looking for a partner or two.
You are offering no solutions, just pure nonsense since weeks probably based on your hate of Thieves guild.
If you want better GW rewards, play better in GW.
I, for one, appreciate your courage in coming forward. It’s a hard thing to do, as you know that there will be those that will prefer to point their finger in outrage than to listen with any intention to try and understand.
The Intrim family went through the same discussions. The views were varied and discussion was heated. But, in the end, guild management came to the decision that it would not be condoned. It could have gone the other way. We, too, could have chosen that helping our sister guild and having a break from the stress for one day, was more important than anything else. The desire to help your guild family can be overwhelming.
I hope people can look at this with some measure of understanding, and just say, ok, we get it. Please stop now. Because the wellbeing of the gow community is bigger than just your own family’s comfort.
I appreciate your forthrightness and I understand your reasoning. I, too, have been frustrated with the prevalence of Wisp and Kraken teams. All I can say is I would never have chosen the option you did, because I simply believe it isn’t fair.
What makes you think other guilds didn’t do that, just in a more subtle way?
As @peterix already pointed out, this kind of working together is very common in other games. There was no rule against it here, even after the devs were pressed for one multiple times. It was quite logical for guilds to exploit the mechanism, considering the benefits to be gained. On a technical level, I can’t really find fault with the guilds involved, even though I’m at the receiving end this, it was quite a clever move well within rules as written.
For the sake of your argument, let’s just assume somebody had opened a thread, with dev consent, to allow all guilds to collaborate like this in open public. How many guilds do you suppose would have joined in?
@peterix has explained our reasons.
The devs have not always considered that it was “cheating”.
As he and @turintuor have said, we would never have done it if we had not consulted the devs before the beginning of the very first week of GW and obtained a clear agreement.
Although we had been given permission to make their answer public, we haven’t posted it so far out of respect for the devs. However I have already shared it with a few people and am ready to communicate it to whoever is interested.
We still disagree with the vocal part of the community on that topic, but we would never do knowingly anything illegal. We have duly noted and taken into account the new position of the devs as soon as Salty has expressed it.
wow, you spent 40 minutes writing/thinking out this? And you gave away two easy questions that you are clever enough to answer yourself. Bravo Brudda! Feel free to defend these cheaters, I pick the opposite route.
Well, yes, I believe everybody deserves a well researched answer. It’s not like we are a bunch of children here, only participating in order to jump at the opportunity of insulting somebody, right?
Thank you, always eager to educate those in need. By the way, you seem to have missed liking my post. Not that it’s required, I’m a modest person.
Imagine for a minute if you can how we feel. We are also in bracket one. We have been playing against you guys and you have unfairly gained points that were not earned in the manner in which this game was designed. We have played honestly and you have not. You have been awarded higher rewards then us because you gained points that you did not fairly earn. We put our hearts and souls into this game just to be held back by Guilds that are cheating. How could you in your right mind not feel guilty every time that you did that? And no wonder your members are afraid to post. They know what they been doing is wrong. Otherwise they wouldn’t be afraid. Did you think about us? Did you think about those that have been playing fairly, knowing that you were keeping us from jumping up in the ranks because you guys were colluding and earning more points doing it. To try and say that it wasn’t for the points is absurd. And I’m completely insulted by it. We have watched you get unbelievable scores and have known something’s been wrong here and now that it’s finally out you have the nerve to say it’s because you wanted a day off. You owe us an apology. Your entire guild does and so does your sister guild, and every other guild out there that is cheating. This was Guild Wars. It was supposed to be a way that the Guilds could battle against other Guilds in sportsmanlike matter to see who was the best. What you did was not sportsmanlike, it was cheating, simple as that.
Feel free to defend these cheaters, I pick the opposite route.