Guild "agreement" in bracket1 to arrange scores

I am just floored that they have the nerve to say they believed they had permission or whatever that lame excuse was. They were earning points, no, they were GETTING points they did not earn fairly which was not the intent of Guild Wars. And they would be absolutely off their rocker insane if they did not understand the nature of this game and what Guild Wars was supposed to be. They walked all over our Guilds, stepping on us so they could get more rewards in a manner that was not fair, and they knew it.

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I know, its all crazy…

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Sorry I don’t know you. Who are you to decide what it’s cheating or not in this game? Only devs can.

Yes of course. Putting Wisp team every day is sooooo ā€œsportsmanlikeā€ :roll_eyes:.

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haha. you made me chuckle. i believe the correct term is ā€œin the spirit of the gameā€.

Gaining points in a Guild Wars competition unfairly = cheating.

That is so basic. I am surprised you can not see the logic.

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Here’s why I’m not buying the ā€œwe just really needed a day offā€ argument as an excuse for cheating.

(And let’s be honest: we all knew this was unethical. We’re not in the second grade, here.)

If your guild was so burned out on GW, and people were threatening to leave – which I believe, GW can be thoroughly frustrating – then allow people to actually take a day off. Change the guild requirements to be 25/30. Encourage players to just not play one day a week.

The reason you (collectively) didn’t do this is, presumably, because that would have tanked your scores, and possibly dropped you a bracket or two. Which means this WAS about points, after all.

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Again you decide that it was unfairly. It’s only your point of view.
Nothing stops your guild to have your own alliance, aside your ā€œsportsmanlikeā€.

Yeah it’s basic in video game to create alliances. Welcome to our world :wink: .

And there were no other options available to relieve your frustrations that didn’t involve manipulating the outcome of the only true competition in the game? Say like:

  1. not make GW A requirement - oh wait, then not everyone plays and you don’t get your rewards.

  2. keep your GW defenses set so you’re not handing another guild easy points but take a single day or a week off to rest - no, again that means losing rewards and even dropping brackets.

  3. play GW but then don’t play so much PvP to reduce frustration because you’ll face the same meta teams there - but then you don’t finish as many LTs and your guild is losing ground on the leader boards.

See why it’s hard for anyone to believe the decision to collude wasn’t about points & rewards? It was the only option available where you didn’t lose something.

My guild slugs through the same wisp after wisp after troll after Kraken that you do. If you don’t like the GW meta, there are other aspects of the game to play and there are options available to relieve your frustration.

I hate to say it but if the sanity of your guild is at stake and you don’t want all the pressure - the self inflicted pressure you’ve put on yourselves by forcing yourselves to try to win and max everything - then drop some of the requirements and relax. Stop screwing up everyone else’s experience for your own benefit. Take a break. Relax. Rest. Find the enjoyment of the game again. Then come back and dig in hard when refreshed. But not at everyone else’s expense.

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@Rickygervais and @Goodly
I ask this in all sincerity and I beg you to seriously consider what I am asking:

IF the gem difference of 500 gems between 1-2-3 in Bracket 1 is SO integral to the FUN of the entire experience of being in a bracket, (Which I agree with btw)

THEN WHY IS IT BEING DENIED TO EVERY OTHER BRACKET!?

From Bracket 2-nth, the rewards are STATIC between 1-10! :astonished:

By your very outcry you are confirming what everybody is asking for, a rework of rewards that allow ALL players to experience the JOY of victory, regardless of Bracket.


@Beefbaloney First and foremost, kudos for stepping forward and offering an opinion. As somebody who shares your opinion that Alliances are a part of war and can make the game more interesting. Here is my problem with what has occurred. If you go back to the oft reposted thread where Mean Machine offered to take a dive so Black Dragon might place a bit higher in Bracket 1, I was all for it. Don and I knew Mean Machine was going back to Bracket 2, so why not help out a Guild with which we were friendly? (Again at this point I agreed with your sentiment 100%) HOWEVER, when it was brought up here, the outcry was so clear and even the devs stated it was against the spirit of the game, so Don apologized and made the public statement that Mean Machine would never make another offer again. Which I can proudly say that we have not.

The issue is that despite the clear community consensus your Guild CONTINUED an alliance. Did it violate a ā€œruleā€? No. Did it completely disregard the will of the playerbase? Yes. And that is why I am hurt. It’s just poor sportsmanship.

tl;dr- I too think Guild Alliances can add depth and intrigue, but players said no, so I agreed to abide by that ā€œruleā€.

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Except that they didn’t gain those points in an unfair way, they didn’t break any rules. Sure, it wasn’t in the spirit of GW, just like setting up single troop defense teams wasn’t in the spirit of PvP. Everybody else could have done the same though (and a lot eventually did with PvP), no cheating involved.

I’m rather blaming the devs for this fiasco. Why they hell did they sit on their hands for months, waiting for the situation to escalate like this? The topic was already addressed as a matter of concern shortly after Guild Wars was introduced, and they did nothing at all, even after receiving multiple reports.

I’m getting the message here that the single troop defense in PvP was fixed because it increased the overall payout players were receiving. And that they couldn’t be bothered to do anything about Guild Wars because the overall payout stays the same, no matter how much guilds work together to exploit the mechanics.

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The nerf to gems is breaking this game apart. People are resorting to cheating and complaining. I remember when this forum was full of happy people, sharing their similar interest for this game. Those days are gone with the nerf to gems. What a shame.

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While I can’t say it is ALL due to the gem nerf, I will agree that the gem nerf merely exacerbates the issues.

Very unfortunate…:cry:

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Call outs should not only be allowed, but vigorously encouraged since it gets results. No call out = ignored.

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Sorry, that’s not true, Guild Wars collusion seems to have been going on far longer than the recent gem nerfs.

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Incorrect. Callouts are, in fact, against the forum rules (and for good reason). [spoiler][/spoiler]

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He was looking a little suspect there.

If you truly wanted a day off then just take a day off and do that days battles the next day. GW really pissed me off today and I want a day off tomorrow so I’m going to do Thursdays battles on Friday or I might even just leave them and do them all on Sunday.

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This is non sense and just a way from you to juistify cheating. Regardless the fact that wisp is unbalanced EVERYBODY can use it and it brings a fair field… breaking the spirit of the competition is just cheating

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