I believe that the guild in question thought that other guilds were colluding also. These are not horrible people. They probably thought that they were doing the right thing by their sister guild. The realisation that it was just them would have been mortifying. Embarrassing. I’m in no way condoning their decision. It was a bad one. But I think they have been sufficiently humiliated. People really need to calm down a bit and wait to see how the devs choose to handle it. All the talk of disbanding a guild that, essentially, hasn’t broken any rules is just not right. Colluding is accepted practice in many games. It just needs to be made clear that it’s not acceptable in this game.
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Well thank you @lyya for knowing my intentions better than i do
I named nobody in my post if they have any shame thats on them not me so there is no naming or shaming so how exactly is that a callout
Yeah… It REALLY looks like i was trying to shame someone into apologizing
Was it the “dont bother” part or the "disingenuous and hollow"part that made it seem like i was telling them to apologize?
My mother died years ago lyya and i neither need or want a new one. If you think i made a call out than REPORT IT dont scold me like a child
And now this thread can get bent im outta here…pfft
I was trying to remind the more mature members of the forum that they are under no obligation to play Red Rover with the schoolyard.
Anyone wanna place bets on how many posts later he’s back?
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between 5 and 20 would be my guess! Give or take 3 or 4!
Btw we just beated our record and did an awesome score of 210k for today!!! And all this without any collusion 
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If everything is done automatically I don’t see the issue. They will have to develop something to detect “collusion”, no? If they find some guilds colliding during week X, devs can just modify the schedule.
No need to wait, I don’t see why we will have to make any excuses. Devs never forbid alliance (if it was the case there will not be any ambiguities) and as far as I know, every guilds could have make one.
You consider that it’s cheating? I don’t. Your point of view versus mine.
Of course, it’s not only yours, it’s also the point of view of most of the players here. That’s why it’s quite difficult to talk about that here without being bashing.
What do you think about several users on a same account? So much players said that “it’s cheating, etc.” but devs don’t consider that as cheating… So what, should we bash every players who their husband/wife also use their account?
We were perfectly legit and it’s not players who choose what is legit or not, only devs can do that 
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Oh, my bad. They’re not uncomfortable with being the only ones colluding after all. Scratch my last comment. And scratch any lingering feeling of respect I had for said guilds.
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Not being explicitly against the rules doesn’t make it right. Every guild COULD have but most didn’t because it was stated it was against the spirit of GW. Not understanding the difference is what’s galling. A pharmaceutical company can charge $5,000 for a single life-saving pill that costs them $3.00 to produce. It’s not illegal but it’s not right either.
I’m dumbfounded by this view. Utterly dumbfounded. I’m going to walk away before I break my phone in frustration.
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This topic is temporarily closed for 4 hours due to a large number of community flags.
@Ozball @Saltypatra is there a possibility to disable forum privileges to the person if he/she flags forum posts without a good reason and not only because they don’t like something about it?
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Agree with Rojo, you lok like a 8 year old… what has this to do withthe current discussion?
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I didn’t formerly plan to, but I guess I will speak up as one of the two mentioned guilds member in order to clarify a few things - hoping the discussion can progress in a civilized manner.
There are a few things that I will never expect any of you to believe. Those are aspects as how many times we have discussed what teams to set against each other - who was the person in the OP ScreenShot, what his English and humor levels are … I reckon each and every single one of you couldn’t care less.
But what I want to point towards is, how did we get there.
You see - when the question of alliances came up - we immediately contacted developers to have a word on it. Of course, we could spam this thread with “proof” on our own - but none of you would care.
The truth is - we never received a word. Anything. Their official statement AND behavior literally said : We couldn’t care less. Anyone else remembers 10 souls as a compensation for a GW battle that counted as a loss instead of a win ?
That being said - I am not saying we weren’t colluding. Of course we were. As the state of the game progressed into such an absurd mess, not to mention everyone setting bugged Kraken teams as defense (isn’t that cheating? exploit? I’ll let you decide.)…
A huge loads of people were frustrated when it came to GW. A lot of people wanted to quit. Felt like breaking a thing or two.
Which is the reason why the whole truce ever came to life in the first place. As a day “off”.
When it comes to points background - I encourage everyone to do a research on it. I humbly do. We weren’t against each other every week. So please, do check that part of the deal and compare the results.
… Of course - my opinion is biased - but numbers do not lie. So do me a favor - dig those results up, erase your version of bias - and we can have a discussion on that subject, as well.
Ever since Developers stated their official word on it - both guilds humbly agreed to set stronger defenses against each other. Not a word about “free wins” fell the day after that. (plenty of screens available, again - but who would care, as the hunt is on).
But the truth stays. I can’t speak for every member of the 2 guilds … But I do NOT want to put my friends and people I share history with through the hell of Wisps, Krakens that nuke the board and whatnot. Not because it is “difficult”. But because it is frustrating. For me, that doesn’t FEEL right.
If any of you were said you have to shoot your brother for the sake of competition… Would you? Maybe it’s just me who is heartless … But I wouldn’t. I do not want to do it.
I’m sorry to everyone, to each one of you - but I care for those people.
If you are going to say that I do not have to put wisps, but other strong teams… Where is the line? Isn’t deliberately making GW battles easy cheating in itself (if even by a small amount)? How in the world do devs decide who’s the cheater? Who is in right to say what defenses are fair and which are already cheating?
So as for the end of the day, as I had a discussion with another of my guildie (if you believe we forced all members to do it - you can leave now. You are not interested in the rest) - I loved the argument.
He said he doesn’t feel like doing it - and thus, he’s putting Krakens. Which was fine. He didn’t feel like it is fair towards other guilds.
And I told him it’s alright to feel that way and follow that decision. But we also knew a member who joined us from another guild, and as a result - he always set easier defense against them, as a form of greeting gift. The same person said he’s okay with that.
Is that 1 person seen as cheater? If so - are all people’s feelings considered cheating?
Moving on:
What teams are considered “cheating” ? Is everyone who doesn’t use Wisps a cheater? Because this way - everyone who doesn’t set the strongest team possible … is a cheater. What about those people who have no other option but to set those weak troops? Especially those people in lower bracket, or people new to the game. If they think they came up with a strong team - can’t they test it? Because it would be considered cheating?
Most of all … What about people with money? How is that fair? Everyone can spend money on a game? Well of course. So could everyone make alliances.
P.S.
I do not ask you to be okay with our alliance. I ask you to understand our reasons behind it. If you want - project your hate towards me. I would never have made a public statement if I haven’t seen you guys metaphorically burning the people I love as witches, but as I see that is indeed the case, the last choice I have is hope at least some of you will understand.
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That could be circumvented too by having each soldier take a specific but worthy defense. After a battle or 2 youd know who you are up against and change accordingly
i can assure you that whoever I play, whether its Intrim 2 or anyone else, I see the same Wisp team in defense.
I also do not change my team based on the opposition - its the same throughout (not a wisp team - I just cant face it!)
An honest post and I hope you guys learn from this. But pose yourself the question: what if someone else did it and I was the victim of it?
I cannot believe that you guys knew it was iffy and perhaps even chuckled while doing it. Looking after yourself and those ones close to you is humane nature, even at the expense of someone else.That nature shows even in a game.
Im glad that stratagem won GW two/three times while I was in it, and in a fair manner. That’s something to be proud of and imo worth way more than some gems or a position with a number next to it
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This is a tricky question to answer - and I believe some people already answered that - but I’ll give it a go on my own.
None of us would have mind - I believe. As I’ve been a person who has played a nice deal of games - this was common nature. MMO’s, let’s say. Every boss has a “strategy”. Whoever came up with the best one - won. If the way was not intended - developers jumped in in 2 hours, closed the encounter and made countermeasures.
Some instances in those games involved PvP intervention. In which case - guilds MADE ALLIANCES, where a PvP guild protected the PvE one - while PvP guild gained their points, and PvE players safely entered the instance.
Here - none of the Developer intervention was done.
Even with that said - I’ll repeat what I said - the truce never came to life because of point hunting. You do not have to believe it - of course.
Not sure if I answered your question. But I did try my best.
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Well said, Grey.
If the collision was common nature, why did only two guilds in the top bracket decided to take advantage of it, and not all of the guilds?
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thanks for explaining your reasons and to have the courage to expose yourself