What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened?
Expected to get 10 Mana for 5-match, plus additional mana surrounding 5-match. Was actually awarded 10.
What are the steps to make it happen again?
Play for 30 hours and watch for it?
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Descriptive video, actual video available per developer feedback.
##EDIT: I canāt believe itā¦ it JUST happened again, not 1 minute after posting this video. This time I got awarded 11 mana from a match that should have given me 14.
One nice feature of the PS4 is that it constantly runs a trailing 15 minute video stream so if you ever see or do something that you want to record, you just hit the āshareā button, choose āsave video clipā and it immediately saves the last 15 minutes of gameplay. From that, you can trim and edit it down to just what you want to keep. I take it Steam doesnāt have a similar feature?
All things are possible, but I have auto-record and such (ShadowPlay) turned off because I need perfect control. And my hardware is sliding into obscurityā¦ time to start begging for donations I fear.
Nice. There was one there around 1:12 where you should have got at minimum 38 but probably 40+ and you were awarded 33 (three 10 matches plus three 1 bonuses from the banner, just what Iām talking about !! )
The times I observed it in my games, my casts were more isolated and therefore the resulting masses of Mana were easier to decipher, but even still I think your video is crystal clear that something is going wacky.
The first cast was dead-on though, right? Thereās a single match 3 in the bottom left and the complex match in the bottom right. I counted that one as a 5-match, with 5 bonus gems. Altogether, thatās (3+1) + (5x2 + 5 + 1) = 20, which is what was awarded before the cascade.
I agree with your count on the one at 1:12: I get a 5-match at the top left with 2 bonus gems (5x2 + 2 + 1 = 13), a 5-match at the bottom left with 3 bonus gems (5x2 + 3 + 1 = 14), and a 5-match at the top right (5x2+1 = 11), for a total of 38, but only 33 awarded.
Mana gathering always bugged me, most likely because not only does it not work as I would expect it too, but it also isnāt working as itās meant to !
Letās take a look at Yozinafās video to proove itā¦
0:12 - Mercy cast her spell > he made 2 match-3 (one procing surge) and one match 6.
Iād think he would get (32)+1 + (62)+1 + 3+1 = 24 mana :
((3 match * 2 from mana surge) + 1 from banner) + ((6 match * 2 from mana surge) + 1 from banner) + (3 match + 1 from banner)
He only got 12 + 8 = 20 mana, meaning :
5+ matches are counted as surging 5 gem match, not less, not more (although, I remember reading ā5+ matches give twice the manaā in game)
Banners (and traits) only work once per cascade (and not once per match as one could think)
0:29 - His Hellcat spell confirms that second hypothesis with a 7-gem match boosted by Alchemistās trait (+1) and his banner (+2). Thatād be 13 mana (and not 17). His alchemist was at 2/10 and his Gard at 15/24.
He ended up at 10/10 and 20/24 wich confirms he got 13 mana.
0:48 - Here comes a bugged one : his Alchemist cast results in a wooping 17-gem match and a mana surging 3 gem match. Thatād be 52 + 32 +1 = 17 mana.
He actually got 12+16 = 28 mana.
If you look closely, on the right side of the 17-match is written āExtra Turn +4 goldā and on the left side of the same group of gem is written āMana Surge +5goldā
So, somehow, the 17-match was accounted as a 5+ gem match and a 4 gem match?
But thatād be 52 + 4 +32 +1 = 21 mana, itās still not right.
Iām not going further on the video, the proof is here already.
It just doesnāt adds up, this thing has been flwaed for quite a while now, and I canāt make sense out of it, sometimes we get more, sometimes we get lessā¦
On the 0:12 match, you assumed that the 3-match procād a mana surge, and I didnāt. More significant for the formula is what you did with the ā6 matchā. There was a pretty big discussion on this a few months ago in a console thread where Sirrian actually chimed in. If I recall correctly (and Iāll look for the post later), he was saying that anything beyond a 5-match counts as a 5-match, with each additional gem adding one to the total mana. So a 6-match is not actually 6x2, but 5x2+1.
Yeah, I was comparing how I was expecting it to work versus how it actually went, then I interpreted it as the following rules :
However, I just tried to check the second hypothesis in one of my games, and I can say that traits proc once per gem-match, not once per cascade. Still gotta check for banners since my analysis of Yozinafās video got me thinking that banners only proc once per cascade.
When you say ācascadeā in that context, do you mean simultaneous matches (as weāre seeing from transforms in the video) or sequential matches (caused by falling gems after a match or transform occurs and gems are cleared)?
Cascades is actually the moment when the gems drops.
So when I say āit procs once per cascadeā, I mean āit only procs once for simultaneous matches (but can proc several times in sequential matches)ā
EDIT : well, in my testsā¦
This stuff really is full of bug.
One time I only got 6 mana from 2 surging match-3 with a +1 bannerā¦
But banners also seems to proc once per match, not once per cascade., so Yozinafās first (Mercy) cast was also bugged.
So per that post, things are not working as they should and the example on the right in my mockup should be giving more than the 10 (plus banner) it is currently giving. Or is my brain on the outs again lol
The following includes 2 ānormalā matches - i.e not in a strange bugged shape, but the standard 3 match and L shaped match. The 3 match did not surge, so 3+1. The L shape is 6 gems long, so (6*2)+1. I got 17 mana, so both check out.
I see weird stuff like this all the time. Phantom extra turns on a match 3, incorrect mana calculations. I figured it wasnāt even worth reporting since itās so sporadic. So thanks for capturing at least part of it on video.
