Gun control discussion

As a german, I can only say, we don’t have that many shootings here in europe.
And we have only few people allowed to own or carry weapons.
It’s even forbidden to carry a Bowie knife with you.

And by the way:
What army could invade the US?
Mexican or Canadian.
The rest has to swim a looong way.

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They are illegal I do believe…As far as gun control I will control mine and you control yours and we will all live in peace,

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Civil is our middle name :slight_smile:

I suspect bump stocks are going to be made illegal. Pointless mostly since they are not difficult to make, and when you plan ahead…

And bump stocks serve no real purpose except to make silly you tube videos and mass shootings because it’s not accurate.

A bump stock uses the recoil to push the trigger against your finger allowing you to shoot at almost full auto speed.

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The House is poised to pass legislation legalizing the use of gun silencers as early as this week

Those are for defending one’s home, or in case an alien army comes down the street unannounced?

Well we are 45 posts into this topic so maybe i missed it so if you would please @Courtaud point me to where someone said silencers were ok. Thanks

As German you might appreciate the original intention of the 2nd Amendment is to protect American’s from possible over reach by a future US government. Hunting, home defense, collecting, sport, etc. were not the main consideration. Throughout all of history and the present once can see with regularity that a small group in political power can do unspeakable acts on a real colossal scale if unopposed by its own citizens.

Although considering the US spends more on the military than all top 10 countries combined, I doubt the 2nd would work as originally intended.

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It is a very complex constitutional issue for the U.S. The 2nd amendment was passed in a very different time than the present and the powdered wig crowd could not possibly have considered the ramifications for the present day. If issues like this could be approached with pragmatism rather than with reference to laws that were drafted hundreds of years ago, it might allow for different responses. That said, once something is enshrined in the constitution, it is no small matter to change it. Likewise, guns are part of American culture and history, and that can’t be ignored either.

I’m thankful that I live in a country where gun violence is significantly less prevalent, but I don’t look down my nose at the United States or think that I have any answers.

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It seem law is going to say silencers are OK. Does this have a sense for you? I really want to know.

Somehow i sincerely doubt that… I am sure you have already assumed my opinion on it and you are hoping for another excuse to slam me

I will not indulge you on this

When did I slam you? But I really want to know because from the outside looking in the weapon situation in USA is nonsense.

I don’t need to be indulged, by the way. Slam as you want.

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@Saltypatra maybe this thread should be closed after all… I regret making it now and i am sorry

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Such political threads as this more often than not ends out ugly.
@Lyya

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It’s Goodwin’s law. Sort of.

Its okay to launch a political thread like these from time to time, we never see too many of such threads so thats okay too.

Keep the language civil and ad hominem to a minimum. I don’t feel we’re there yet, but I will step in if this gets out of hand.

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How bout we stop it before it starts and close it first…

As the creator of the thread this is my request.

US gun laws are essentially a relic from the past. They’re essentially all based on the second amendment (from 1791). Obviously (IMHO!) such ancient laws could use some revision, as all the circumstances that made that second amendment neccessary (to defend the new country from the armies of the British king) are completely moot at this point.

That being said, as those laws are now completely settled in US society it is going to be completely impossible to get rid of guns in the US. The best you can hope for (in the case of the US) is that regulation on who gets to own guns becomes better and more controlled. And that perhaps civilians will eventually be prohibited to own automatic weaponry.

Obviously I am not from the US, so I have a hard time understanding why people would need guns to feel safe (or to protect my family). I, personally, feel much safer in the Netherlands (where gun possession is very tightly regulated and where it is very difficult to get permission to own a gun). I actually know exactly one person who has a gun (and that’s because he’s a police officer), everyone else I know doesn’t own a gun and I (and most of these people) live in one of the biggest cities in the Netherlands, and feel perfectly safe there.
In contrast to that: I visited St. Louis two years ago for work, and there a lot of people on the street and in the subway openly carried guns. In the subway there were actually signs that said “Carrying a concealed weapon is prohibited”. The fact that people were carrying guns openly made me, personally, feel less safe…

FInal thing I wanted to say: I fully agree with all people that say “Guns do not kill people”. That’s completely 100% accurate. People kill people. But guns make killing so much easier. Especially the oversized weapons like the one used in the horrible tragedy in Las Vegas. Should there ever be a burglar in my house, I’m liking my chances here in the Netherlands much better than in the US, cause as a tall, fairly strong male I have a much better chance against a burglar without a gun then against one with a gun, and in the Netherlands a burglar is much more likely to be without a gun (as he is not preparing for a home-owner that owns a gun).

Edited to fix the year.

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The US bill of rights was ratified in 1791 not 1689…

Apologies,I mixed up the year with the English Bill of Rights…