I put it in feature requests, since I wasn’t sure what else to tag it with (if it should be somewhere else, just move it there, thanks).
First of all, I assume @Sirrian has access to actual stats on how often arena is played and a spread of lvls of the people who actually play it - my personal guess, it’s mostly low level people (or very bored ones, like me ).
The biggest problem with arena, from the top guild players PoV (and “top guild” is loosely used term, lets go with top50) is crappy trophies return from arena compared to pvp. As it is right now, the arena has:
- OK seal return,
- good soul return,
- no glory return at all,
- very low gold return (1500 base gold for 8 wins is comparable to 2 1-trophy fights, or one “GOOD” 3-trophy one (the extreme case with 1,4-1,5k base gold), the gold reward amount is relic of the past,
- very bad trophy return rate (10 trophies for 8 battles is like doing 8 1-trophy games with the 2 “bonus” on top for winning all 8).
In my opinion (and I’d like to stress that it’s all what it is, idk if what I suggest is optimal, feel free to comment with feedback or your thoughts) what we need for arena to be more viable and playable is:
- TROPHY BUFF, and I mean a serious buff. I found a topic that died a natural death of being ignored and forgotten from a while back (Arena Trophy Rewards) where Tacet suggested pretty reasonable (again, imo) scaling for trophies in arena:
0 - 0
1 - 1
2 - 3
3 - 5
4 - 8
5 - 12
6 - 16
7 - 20
8 - 25
It would correspond with 3-trophies per battle, yes, but notice that the “bonus” is only for winning all 8 games (even 7 is slightly below). And arena games are longer than pvp anyway (especially if we consider the super-humans doing 60-sec games ), so that’s OK.
What I’m trying to say it, I enjoy playing arena, it gives me a chance to play random teams against other random teams (unlike pvp sadly) in a way that is a lot more tactical than the high-stat-pvp. Also a chance to enjoy using different hero weapons. Sadly with the current reward system in arena, if I play it rather than doing pvp, my guild is suffering because I don’t provide the trophies (not at the pace even remotely comparable with pvp).
I think that missing out on glory (which is giving up on a personal reward), and big part of the gold (even if you’d buff it which it needs aswell, I imagine it will still be relatively lower than pvp) is enough of a trade-off for doing something else than pvp. So pretty please balance the trophies, so I can play arena without feeling bad about not getting trophies for my guild <3
Personally I think that adjusting gold to a linear 500-700 base gold per win should be OK (yes the number 5600 base for 8 wins pre-multipliers seems big, but that’s the amount of gold you get for 8 1-trophy games in pvp, so by doing arena you would still give up on the potential higher gold you’d get from doing 2 or 3 trophy battles, while getting the “fair” minimum). It wouldn’t have to be linear, it could go 500 - 1000 - 1500 … at first and then ramp up in the last 2 wins towards 5600.
Many feature requests / fixes that could/should be implemented come with a lot of effort on your (DEVs) part, because of the butterfly-effect in the code of the game (one of the best examples is the stunned units still resurrecting due to the order of actions, which can’t be fixed by simply swapping those lines of code). THIS however is just a matter of adjusting NUMBERS in the arena code, which in no way can blow the game up (an assumption on my part, I am a potato when it comes to coding, but well …).
So pretty please, could we get an answer from @Sirrian or @Nimhain on the subject, and possibly a timely adjustment to the arena rewards? I’m sure everyone would be very happy seeing DEVs take action in a timely manner when it’s possible. I imagine (correct me if I’m wrong) that it wouldn’t take up much of your time and the arguments I made pretty much make the case. On top of which the rewards can be further adjusted in the future after reviewing the data about arena with “new” values.
If someone has any suggestions / objections - post away, lets see where it goes, it’d be great to see this addressed soon
TL:DR Arena needs rewards adjustment to be a viable alternative to other activities in GoW. Buff the trophies and gold please. Lack of glory (and part of the potential gold) is already enough of a “payment” for arena being an alternative to pvp. Yes my suggestions are a BIG buff to the arena rewards, but honestly it’s about time. The arena rewards come from different times in GoW. LET’S MAKE ARENA VIABLE AGAIN! (I’m better than Trump or Hilary, I swear)