I agree with everything Mithran has said.
And I want to add that I want this paid sub! I would definitely purchase it.
If subs are popular (which devs have hinted that they are), don’t you think this would be a big hit?
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There was another game I played some time ago called World of Tanks Blitz that is FTP but also has a paid premium service that increased the percentage of all resources earned (gold, XP, ammo and such). I paid $50 for a one-year premium service and it was money well spent at the time.
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These numbers are about what I expected on the average (slightly less gems, slightly more gem keys than what I was expecting) except for Glory Keys, which seem absurdly low, and gold keys, which seem absurdly high. If the raw glory + glory keys are the same task arc and costs are at least somewhat equally distributed, that seems almost not worth going for unless your guild is going to cap out on gems/gem keys/ and maybe even event keys. Does the yellow task turn into something else as it levels up, or is the price for 320 glory and 236 glory keys really ~ 2.3 mil? Or is the gold requirements a bit less evenly spread about tasks? Or maybe you missed a zero on one of those?
I guess top players wont have to worry about ascending commons ever being a bottleneck again, though, since every couple months will net 17600 gold keys without even considering tributes - which should be more than enough to ascend any new common to mythic as a new kingdom releases. On that note, will we be seeing a way to open more than 50 chests at a time, especially for gold keys?
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Thank you for sharing @Sirrian! Seeing these rewards, there are some interesting, exciting, and even weird things going on:
- Total Gems = 1,860 (590 Gems + 42 Event Keys @ 15 Gems each + 64 Gem Keys @ 10 Gems each). Hard to factor in Guild Keys, but they’re something like half a Gem Key when the chest is fully upgraded (50% drop rate on Guardians, and otherwise a Gem Key), so that’s like an extra 375 Gems taking the total to 2,235. This is actually much more than I was expecting, and about what the Top 5 guilds are averaging right now. Honestly, I’d prefer fewer Event Keys and more Gems/Gem Keys, but whatever. This hardly qualifies as a nerf.
- Total Glory Keys = 236. This is a huge hit. We’re averaging something like 2.5k/week. Can’t say I’m pleased with this. If we assume Glory Keys are roughly 1/10th the value of a Gem Key then we’re losing something like 220 Gem Keys per week, or 2,200 Gems. That’s ROUGH. (Sure, the Glory could be added in, but it’s much more useful for the Glory bundles. That said, it’s super nice to get some Glory!)
- 2200 Gold Keys. Why?! That’s an absurd and unnecessary amount of Gold Keys. Can we trade in like 1500 of these for some more Glory keys? A 10:1 ratio for an extra 150 Glory Keys would be nice.
- 5900 Souls. Nice for all but the most elite, though it feels like this doesn’t compare well to the Gems rewards. That amount of souls is roughly one troop from level 1 to level 19. I think this could be higher, especially given how many troops there are in the game these days, but whatever.
- +6 Map Turns. That’s a lot! I know folks complain about Maps not being worth their while at higher levels, but this will make it really easy to get the 60 turns for the Seal, if folks are so inclined.
- Guild Chests. That’s really rough for most guilds, especially with different playing habits and time zones. I didn’t expect it to work otherwise, but that’s rough.
In sum, less Gold Keys, more Glory Keys, please! And maybe some more Souls too. 
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Yeah I’m worried about the Guild Chest reset myself, it may put a lot of pressure to get the max every week and cash in on time. And what if a member or two goes on vacation or just has real life kick them in the rear that week and they don’t hit the usual goal? I know those are Guildmaster concerns but I could see a little bit of stress being added to an otherwise casual game. That’s why I bailed on World of Tanks Blitz and Hearthstone a long time ago, got enough stress in my real life lol.
That said, I do like the vast majority of the changes.
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so that’s like an extra 375 Gems taking the total to 2,235. This is actually much more than I was expecting, and about what the Top 5 guilds are averaging right now.[/quote]
No, we are rather at 3-4K.
thank you very much, that sets my mind a little more at ease, i got used to the idea at least 500gems/500keys was a standard a f2p players needs - to have some decent shot at new legend/mythic cards that keep showing up, here less glory keys but at least still enough gems and in addition some gem/event keys so i think it will still be decent for f2p players 
lets see… keeping my hopes up!
This is what I was hoping for to keep the game healthy. Sure, I loved it once I figured out to join a top guild and be “King of the World.”
I am really hoping this structure will have the casual players understanding how much more they get out of contributing to the guild, and help keep them interested in the game.
I was hoping there was going to be a way for guilds to focus on specific Legendary and above troops, as I felt that would really instill teamwork to reach longer term goals. Like a month long Mythic project.
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Based on the weekly Trophy gains, I think Dragon’s Peak is an outlier, then the next 5-10 Guilds are pretty closely clustered together. So I think somewhere around 2.2k Gems & 2.5k Glory Keys is about average for the top guilds, with the exception of Dragon’s Peak.
It’s clear that we don’t need that much. I mean, I’m sitting on 7.9k Gems and 9k Glory Keys, and that’s after chasing 2x Draakulis, and I’m at the bottom of my guild. Frankly, I was expecting somewhere in the 1k Gems and 1k Glory Keys per week range, and I would’ve been fine with that. It’s still a ton of free resources every week, but not to the “more than I ever need to spend” level. Right now, there’s literally no reason to spend once you get in a top guild, and clearly that’s a problem for a F2P game (especially given that they usually make the most money by the top players).
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That summarizes the entire topic pretty well.
The amount of free premium currency that you can earn by just playing in this F2P game is amazing. Much more than in any other game I’ve played.
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something along the line of 500-1000gems 500-1000keys /week was my guild and it was not enough to hunt a mythics (ive got only 1 mythic in total), the next system will be less then that and so all that im concerned about will it still be enough for a f2p player to keep up with hunting new legend/mythics or not?
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I come bearing Math. It is I, the Architect of Walls of Text. … no I don’t want that to be my forum title.
[quote=“Sirrian, post:256, topic:11984”]
2. Can we get a better sense of the reduction in resources in terms of Gems and Glory Keys
Yes - very happy to share the entire amount of stuff you can now net in a single week from your guild[/quote]
I’m going to try to break this down… bear in mind this is (mainly) for the higher/top guilds, its been made clear that whatever it is will be a win for everyone else.
The TL;DR is that we’re losing some value but getting it back in a lot of other places. Also its hard to match up some of the new gains since they’re tied to personal activity. Oh and Sirrian’s math is almost completely right.
Also, as for Gold, we’ve been complaining about Minor Traitstones (and Commons too) for ages, and now we can focus on getting those back again! If only because we’ll have nothing else to do with the Gold. But if you spend enough Gold Keys you start piling up a decent amount of Glory and Gems too, don’t forget.
Conversions
There are some exchange rates in-game that I can use, but it’s not exactly the same as knowing their real worth.
Based on kingdom tributes (with max stars), we know the 100% Gold is 500 (Khaziel), 100% Glory is 20 (Whitehelm), and 100% Souls is 80 (Khetar). This indicates (hazily) that there is an exchange rate of 25 Gold = 1 Glory = 4 Souls.
We also know that we can use 240 Gems to purchase 30,000 Gold, which is a ratio of 125 Gold = 1 Gem.
So if I scale up the previous results, we have:
125 Gold = 20 Souls = 5 Glory = 1 Gem
New System
(which we’re getting, that’s happening)
590 Gems = 590 Gems
42 Event Keys at 15 Gems each = 630 Gems
320 Glory = 64 Gems
64 Gem Keys at 10 Gems each = 640 Gems
236 Glory Keys at 20 Glory each = 4720 Glory = 944 Gems
5900 Souls = 295 Gems
2200 Gold Keys at 300 Gold each = 5280 Gems
9 Maps at 30 Glory each = 270 Glory = 54 Gems
TOTAL = worth 8497 Gems
I missed a couple of those on my first pass… I was going to go through the whole list first but that number has me fixed. Lets compare now.
Old System
(here meaning ‘current’)
Its been said we can only put 16 million gold in per week per guild. That’s a figure I can use.
If a guild only does Gems / Glory Keys / 7-Token tasks (which is most of us I believe), then we can calculate what we’re getting.
38,000 + 36,000 + 11,000 = 85,000 per set of three tasks. (85,000 = 10 Gems and 12 Glory Keys)
16,000,000 / 85,000 = 188.235 sets of three tasks
188 x 10 = 1880 Gems
188 x 12 = 2256 Glory Keys - at 20 Glory each, = 45,120 Glory = 9024 Gems
TOTAL = worth 10,904 Gems for the same price.
(those numbers aren’t BS, the ratio matches up with what we tend to get in a given week)
8497 is 77.926% of 10904. So clearly we’re going to get less (and I’m even counting Souls in my totals) but that’s what we’ve been told. In fact, my math (now that I’ve worked out the kinks) more or less matches what Sirrian told us: -23%. This result is, in fact, slightly better for us.
The rest of his list isn’t anywhere as easy to quantify, but it mostly helps us.
SEALS: 75 Guild Keys
… really can’t tell with these yet. Assume they’re good.
STATUE BONUSES: +50% XP, +6 Map Turns, +6% Tribute Chance, +10% Tribute Amount, +50% Souls, +2 Glory per PvP Battle
All of these are largely based on personal activity, so your mileage may vary (as they say).
+50% XP: depends on how useful leveling is after 1000, we don’t really know enough yet.
+6 Map Turns: anyone who’s done a few dozen/hundred maps knows that starting with more turns won’t actually have a huge impact. Plus we’re still having issues with efficiency.
+6% Tribute Chance: now this I can quantify, sort of. Its good however it is - right now we have 10% x 2 per kingdom… given the tiny number of 6%, I can only assume this is 6% each. That adds up. If its (10x2)+6, that’s a gain of 30%. If its (10+6)x2, that’s a gain of 60% from tributes. Seeing as tributes get all resources, but prominently get Glory, Gems and Gold Keys, this is impossible to ignore.
+10% Tribute Amount: probably means what it says. But this wouldn’t translate to Gems and Gold Keys.
+50% Souls: just argh…
+2 Glory per battle: even on a 9 Glory battle, that’s still a gain of almost 20%, and most battles aren’t 9s. Base of hardest difficulty is at 4, where its a 50% gain.
SKILL BONUS (7d): +8 Armor, +8 Life, +3 Attack, +2 Magic
… as people have said already, if everyone in the top guilds is vsing other top guilds, this doesn’t mean a thing.
NEW LEAGUES: Extra Gold Bonus
… Gold is Gold. Probably doesn’t mean much either, but without the numbers we can’t tell.
Lose some, get some, its not the end of the world? Probably?
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You were talking about the top 5 guilds. Dragon’s Peak isn’t one.
In Anonymous we are at around 3.5-4K gems per week. The other top 5 guilds are not very far from us in terms of trophies, so I supposed they are in the same range for gems.
It was enough to hunt for them, just not enough to actually reliably get them. We do a little bit more and I’m 2 for 5 on mythics, some of us have none, some of us have 3 of 5, etc. However, the recent change on how all new legendaries are introduced in the kingdom event first and not glory packs means if you have that many resources, its pretty much either-or. For the time being, I’m trying to keep up with the legendary releases rather than the mythic ones, because I know I at least have a decent chance at that. Not having every mythic was also much less of a concern before they started putting them in kingdoms and raising the star limit, though.
from my point of wiev gold keys are worth zero gems, whatever way you look at them couse they have zero chance to drop legend/mythic which is the ultimate value 
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If you’re hunting mythics though, Gem Keys are worth 10x the chance of a glory key… so good value there!
Minor Traitstones are a great big stepping stone and as far as currency is concerned, they only come from Gold Keys. Without them we can’t trait the legendaries, and once we get enough of them, we can trait up a lot more troops and get more kingdoms to higher power levels and get more everything.
Plus my math is based on those conversions I mentioned, nothing more. I don’t value the 5900 souls myself.
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yup! i wonder can someone actually calculate average ‘chance value’ (for legend and mythic respectively) of the top guilds income in old and new system to compare the actual ‘loss’ for that ‘marginal’ number of top players
Why do you think you’re entitled to free mythics? 500 - 1000 gems and glory keys for free a week isn’t enough?
my income in the current system feels enough to be able to buy out the new legends and have a fair shot at mythics. just wondering about new task system how much less of a chance will it be.
edit: where did you see me saying i am antitled to free mythic?