I agree. That seems to have been the point of the last few patches , so it appears the prevalent trend of the last 18 months or so will continue…
these new Epic tasks should provide slightly better value and also contain resources useful to end-game players.
I am an end-game player. What are some of these Epic rewards? Chaos Shards, Pet Food, and Ingots? These are things I don’t need any of. I have 23,179 Chaos Shards. I have 2089 Legendary and 1211 Mythic Ingots. I have 54 Blue, 12 Green, 39 Red, 50 Yellow, 45 Purple, 43 Brown, and 143 White pet food, with a combined pet level of 1275. Treasure Troops? Unless it’s Sacred Treasure, I don’t want it. I have 3 Sacred Treasure, 30 Genie’s Lamp, 184 King’s Crown, 667 Priest’s Chalice, 237 Coin Purse, and 1503 Gold Ring – and remember, I have 23k Chaos Shards.
I am an end-game player, and what you think end-game players need, they don’t.
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Want to add my 2 cents here as a player whos been around for about 8 months or so and whos been in a few mid-level guilds.
I used to be in a mid-tier guild that was around the 1500ish rank in the guild wars. Because I don’t give a rats ass about actual rank, I’m not sure if thats the factor people use to determine it, or if there is some other ranking number. Whatever.
That guild once ever, while I was there, unlocked LTs. And we got a few. But that single week was the only time I saw it happen. We came nowhere close any time after that. The general consensus was “it wasn’t worth the work”. For a high power guild, the “work” might be 100% worth it. For our middle tier guild, it was not.
People left, that guild died, and I moved on, and joined a guild in the 220-230 rank in this week’s guild wars. I’ve been with them about a month now. So thats not a ton of time, but I’ve been there long enough to notice a pattern.
As the weekend hits, guild tasks stop getting done. We usually have like 2-4 completed, with the others sitting stagnant. I’ve busted my ass to get a bunch done to level 11, as I’m in desperate need of Diamonds after having stupidly wasted my first 4k on a Mythic who wasn’t worth it. So I was about the only one contributing gold after say Saturday morning.
Then Monday morning I wake up, and my inbox is slammed with keys, gems, shards, diamonds, souls… like 2-3mil worth of gold was dumped into the newly reset tasks. Gold that was SAVED, and NOT spent, on the almost-complete, can now do LT tasks, for the last 3 days.
And this same thing has happened for each of the 4 Monday’s I’ve been with the guild.
This is a pretty highly ranked guild. Pretty active… checking it now, only 2 members inactive, and only 3 others who’ve not donated at least 100k gold this week. 9 members who are at 500k+ gold this week.
And we stop trying once it gets close to complete, because the CURRENT COSTS for the 220something most powerful guild aren’t worth pushing to get to LTs.
So why put in a change that absolutely guarantees that we will NEVER get LTs?
Know what this change DOES do? Makes me consider guild hopping. This is a good guild. I like these folks. Helpful in guild chat, no obvious a-holes, lots of gold going into the tasks…
But it’s becoming a REALLY attractive option to bail on them. Not because they suck, but because now I know I’ll never see a LT again as long as I stay with them.
And that sucks.
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You couldn’t be more wrong. This is a massive nerf to keys for ressources that are getting obsolete in a relative short time. This is not “a small rebalance” it’s a gamechanger for the people that are affected. And I assume (I hope!) you know this. So it might be wise better to say nothing then telling tales of “small rebalances”.
My comment in the first part of the message might be the most uncivil in the whole thread so far. So please don’t imply this thread is not civil.
It’s a lengthy listing why your plans aren’t good for the game(rs).
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(I am going to try really hard to find a way to be helpful instead of joining in with yet another +1 opinion “why are you ruining legendary tasks and the game and giving us this mediocre nonsense” .)
I like the idea of the new guild statues. The rewards just aren’t exciting enough in my opinion and could be so much more creative and fun if you think more outside the box.
Here is what I would do if I was designing these new guild statues:
Blue Chaos Task : In addition to whatever chaos shard rewards at level 6 all your guild members unlock a Potion of Enchantment on all their delve runs for the rest of the week. At level 12 everyone in the guild gets a Potion of Explosion on all their delve runs for the rest of the week.
Now I want to unlock that statue as soon as possible each week because those two potions reduce the tedium of delving so much. Potions are much more important to Pure Faction runs than a few more stats. People that aren’t even trying right now might give it a go with something like this. It isn’t the full potion list from investing gems during faction events but would be a nice quality of life mana speed boost.
Green Writ Task : I am someone who complained about how slow the Deeds are trickling in and the fact that we had no control over colors acquired. Thank you for adding in something that speeds up Deeds slightly and gives me a bit of choice.
Red Treasure Task : In addition to whatever treasure it was going to award at level 6 all your hoards increase by +1. At level 12 all your hoards increase by an additional +1. PERMANENTLY.
Obviously you want people to spend more gold on treasure hoards. It may seem counterintuitive but it would work. The psychological effect this would have on how people approach treasure hoards would change overnight. It would get players interested in upgrading hoards via gold so the +1 matters more and people would want to do this statue instead of despising it.
The stats would trickle in and would not at all be game breaking but would be helpful and fun to see grow over time. I could give you my delve credentials to back up my opinion that this in combination with the mana potions from Blue Task would fix your delve system.
Yellow Token Task : In addition to throwing some tokens at us from this statue, have it buff explore so it is less tedious. I’d go with potions again. Potion of Enchantment at level 6 for all explore runs, and Potion of Explosion at level 12.
Now I want to unlock this statue early in the week and make my explore life easier. I get to spend my gold to improve my speed and makes me want to explore.
Purple Pet Task : Pet food isn’t interesting enough. We could use more pet food sure but give out some random pets too including event pets. If you really want people to like completing this statue code a new super pet ascension food. +1 rarity to a pet of your choice once a week would be fun and valuable and new.
I would be fine with giving up some LTs to have that especially with the gates on kingdom stars 13 and 17.
Brown Weapon Upgrade Task : We already have more than enough ingots. Even if you are a completionist like me and care about the purple weapons you don’t need a statue to get them. The only way I can think of to make this statue interesting is to have it give out doom scrolls also.
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This.
Thank you for sharing your experience. This is exactly my concern. I think a lot of guilds have members like you, who do more than the average member in that guild and who would be able to move up to a guild who achieves more, but stick around for whatever reason (guild loyalty, the desire to help or be top contributor, etc.) With this change, sticking around becomes much harder to justify for them and I fear a lot of players like you will be looking for more active guilds. And that’s what’s going to hurt guilds like yours (I suspect there’s a lot of those) the most - not losing resources from the occasional LT, but losing their top contributors. Which will start a downward spiral of doing worse on events, getting fewer tasks done, losing more members…
So, unless there’s something else in the update that can somehow discourage this from starting, I fear the guild update will begin the death of many guilds 
Btw, what you were describing is not guild hopping, it’s just changing guilds. Which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do if you feel a different guild will be better for you. Guild hopping is joining guild after guild, collecting what rewards you can and quickly moving to the next one.
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Just because u spend money on GoW doesn’t make your opinion more valued than those who don’t
This isn’t the American election😜
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This made me laugh for a long period of time… maybe even a “fortnight” or so?
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To be fair…Fornite’s playerbase is a lot bigger than GoW’s.
I’m not saying a game can’t survive on cosmetics - I absolutely think it can, but comparing a relatively small game like GoW to a mammoth game like Fortnite or League of Legends kinda takes away from the argument.
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I think most people here are seeing this negatively, and with good reason. Newer players generally need troops, gems, souls, stones and gold. Their donations to tasks are often waived by their guilds allowing them to focus on boosting their kingdoms so that they can start to earn decent tributes etc. Most guilds are (were) happy to develop players in this way. A few LTS on top of basic tasks would often provide keys to increase the troops they so badly need. I fear those days are well and truly over.
The epic tasks don’t seem to provide any value to higher players whatsoever and I for one will not be striving to complete any of them during non wars weeks. Fleg is correct, guilds will stockpile gold and drop on wars and perhaps mythic weeks. This will give the keys hopefully to find the mythic and boost stats if you are a competitive wars guild. An elitist divide is guaranteed. Many players in decent wars brackets still don’t have the confidence to use colour of the day even though they have the troops and level to do so; this is understandable particularly now that we face a deluge of empowered troops within wars and elsewhere. So, there’s not much point in doing epic tasks on wars week to boost stats when some members will still go 30/0 for about 30K points. Especially when the “rewards” aren’t needed by those with the gold to earn them. I think the top 2 or 3 xbox brackets may throw their gold at wars week but the rest of will see it as futile. They will have all the medals needed to boost not only global boosts, but favoured troops as well. Semi competitive guilds will recognise that such a huge divide cannot be breached. Once the vast majority of players start losing out on mythic drops, their resources will be gone and only cash outlay can offset this. So for me, I will have more gold than before, but less (or no) useful keys and glory. I suppose I could throw gold at horde level but what’s the point. Faction troops are almost universally rubbish and we all know that potions are the best option to get maximum renown even though the event grind to do so is horrendous. How anyone can do a full faction in 1 day events makes me cringe with tedium. This update decimates useful keys and prevents the progress of new players yet again. How it can be interpreted in any other way by the devs is mindbogglingly naive or an exercise in PR deception.
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That is correct, their overhead is also monumentally larger then GoW’s as well so they need a lot more money to keep things afloat… But the billion+ they made in the first year of Fortnite’s existence easily paid for everything and then some.
That game allows for cosmetics to sell easily as its a very cosmetic game, GoW is not as easy a sell. But this boneheaded plan of the Dev’s has me planning on quitting the game for good. I am VIP 10 and am very close to 11, I pay when they put something up that I can use. But the main draw for me is keeping up with the collection, I am currently missing 1 troop, the mecha-gnome, other then that I have all the rest. This stupid/moronic move is going to make it far more difficult to me to maintain the key inventory I require to keep up with the collection which is what keeps me in the game in the first place. As soon as I cannot get a troop when its released to keys or shards then I will be gone and all my future spending along with it.
I have been playing this game for 3.5 years, other then maybe in the first few months I have logged in EVERY SINGLE day without fail even when I went on a business trip to India for 3 weeks. This move and the retardation of key acquisition is going to make collections much more difficult, likely impossible to maintain and will cause me to quit .
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I have nothing against Dwarves, and while I thought the Lapina was cute, I am not. But if there was an Orc avatar…
As for the ‘some players asked for this’ contention, it would appear that more than some did not, and perhaps those that did would not have had they known the cost.
Going back to the pizza place that became a pancake place because management thought pancakes better served their customers (Treasure/Troop portal distribution): it then turned out that the pancakes were too salty, and had to be reversed.
I am of the belief that LT are not worth the trouble, which is why I’m not in a guild that completes them. But I also don’t believe the guilds that want to complete LT should have extra barriers.
I’ll wait until this update goes live before I say these pancakes are making me salty again. Until then, for the Horde.
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I think if you are looking to make more money, that you should look into re-doing the whole store, the prices on things make people not want to buy them because they are over priced, so the value per dollar isn’t good. I would buy way more stuff (especially gems) if I felt they were reasonably priced, but right now at VIP 5, 63 gems costs me $5, with the cost of events now that amount of gems is literally nothing.
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My guild is rank 60 and we get 20-30 Lts a week and we have luckily found 4 mythics this year for the guild. My guild will no longer be able to reach these at this lvl. It would seem that only the top 5% will now have access to Lts and this resource. After 4 years and almost 6000hrs of play I can say this is the worst possible hit to guilds at our lvl where those resources that we are trading for are only marginally needed.
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As I have watched this thread evolve, it has struck me how incredibly unified the community is on the incoming update. Outside a couple of outlier comments, the posts have delivered thoughtful and lucid opinions on how the previewed changes will impact the game in a substantially negative way. Members of guilds who will be impacted greatly by this have posted along with members of guilds who will feel noticeably less impact to convey how Epic tasks, as they were presented, are a poor idea. Members have brainstormed viable and creative alternatives to allay some of the negative impact.
Usually by now, a tread like this has devolved into some degree of pettiness and bickering with a healthy dose of inflammatory comments.
Salty posted earlier that she was monitoring the thread and thanked the community for keeping everything civil. I am hopeful the devs will continue to monitor and realize how this has galvanized the majority of the forum community. And, yes, the forum goers constitute a small portion of the overall player base but many of the posters are guild masters and members of large guild families. Their voices may be few in number but resonate for a much larger group of players.
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I wouldn’t be so sure of…
We’ll probably get surprised by a great archeological discovery - the 2nd layer of delves, just beneath the 1st one…
U’ll go in by unlocking the great guardian statue with like 5.000.000 gems or something…
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…or they exist in a new map above Krystara.
If so, they could be named Shelves…
I’ll get my coat.
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That made me laugh so much, thank you.
Reminds me of a game where an inhabitant of a cloud city visits an underwater city and says ‘an entire city underwater? How ridiculous as that’. Loved that game.
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True that. I’m in a couple different Discord GoW servers. They’ve been on fire today with talk about the update. It heightened after Salty’s stream in which she said said there is no way to stop or change the upcoming update. I can see that our guild’s lower level players have already lowered their participation. Moral is really low right now despite having a great guild war week. The devs don’t realize the negative impact this will have on the game.
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