It’s a good forum. Name calling is kept to a minimum here even when we disagree. That is the way it should be 
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Very true. We can agree or not but the name calling and killing/hurting each other is left on the battlegrounds of the pvp system.
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Voter suppression to own a Drivers License? I never quite understood this argument… If you are a legal Citizen, you are required to carry identification… why would we not want this for voting as well? Why don’t we move to a “Finger Print” system… where we can find out if your a Felon or not, and eligible to vote or not…
When I go to work, I must have my SSN, Drivers License etc… why should something that is way more important than my job require less to do?
Far right paranoia killed universal ID 20 some years ago. Mark of the beast nonsense etc etc. Never quite understood their rationale.
Well, for one thing that is incorrect. You are not required to carry ID except in certain circumstances. The whole point is that you are forcing citizens to jump through additional hoops in order to do something that is guaranteed by the constitution. Something Republicans have historically been against but have recently done a 180 on. Aren’t you curious why?
It’s all fun and games when your group is the one in power but the problem with slippery slopes is how slippery they are. If you can’t imagine a situation where having to go through more and more paperwork and red tape in order to vote is a bad thing, well your imagination (and perhaps your empathy) is lacking. 
The founding fathers were keenly aware of how important it was that everyone have both the right to vote and easy access to voting because they themselves had been suppressed by a system designed to give them less than equal say in how they were governed.
I was not able to vote this year even though I had identification and a passport. The problem is that you need a specific state’s identification. Someone like me who doesn’t own a driver’s license because I walk or bike everwhere I need to go, don’t have my own house, nor work anywhere within the state (everything I do for money is online), leaves me to the point that it is nearly impossible for me to vote in the general election. The primary was a lot easier because they only need your social and a few other basic information. The general election however requires A LOT more than that, which acts deliberately as voter suppression.
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I guess you don’t pay taxes, because you don’t get an IRS tax form mailed to you which is proof of residency when it comes to registering to vote.
I moved 4 months ago. It shows I live in New Jersey, not South Carolina where I currently live.
Yeah, I live in Chicago. And can safely assure you its only voter fraud if you get prosecuted, and there is very little of that here.
Now for some numbers on my city, we did remove a few (60,000) dead registered voters, some of them have voted in over 10 election cycles (after being underground). Not to worry though as we still estimated 10% votes coming from “illegitimate ballots”. In a city of 3 Million. Go Cubs! if only we could vote our way into the World Series we would not have had such a dry spell.
Because voting is a constitutional right.
Requiring ID to buy booze isn’t oppressive because buying booze isn’t a constitutional right. Nor is requiring a license to drive, since driving isn’t a constitutional right. Voting is fundamentally different - any impediment to voting is a barrier against people exercising their constitutional rights, and that’s a major problem.
Additionally, the “voter ID” laws that have been passed are explicitly prejudicial. For example, when North Carolina’s law was overturned, it was found during discovery that the lawmakers who wrote the act had gathered data on voting demographics and then specifically crafted the law to apply as much as possible to minority voters while leaving white voters alone. “What’s the big deal about getting a license?” you may ask? Well, these laws are specifically creating a hassle for people who can’t take time off of work (or can’t during DMV office hours), or are legal immigrants but who can’t easily get things like birth certificates from other countries. Or as another example, the Texas voter ID law allowed you to show a hunting license as proof of identity, but not a student ID, because the law was made specifically to prevent students from voting.
Even beyond all of that, the laws claim to solve a problem that doesn’t actually exist in the first place. A study on voter fraud between 2000 - 2014 found 31 cases of voter fraud of the kind that would be stopped by showing an ID. 31. Not 31,000, not 3100, but 31 out of the more than 1 billion votes that were cast.
Now weigh the benefit of preventing 31 cases of fraud against the harm of writing laws which are finely crafted to intentionally suppress the rights of millions of citizens to vote.
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did you even bother to try and register to vote? I guess you have no mailing address?
Make that 32
I saw my first case of voter fraud my first presidential election because I heard a guy in front of me bragging that he voted already using a friends name he knew wasn’t going to vote.
A mailing address isn’t proof of identification. Anyone can set their address to any state and just have their friend of that address forward the mail. For South Carolina I needed either a driver’s license, proof of residence, or some kind of form from my employer, all 3 of which I couldn’t do despite having valid IDs. I just didn’t have nor could produce any form of valid South Carolina ID. There may have been some chance that I could have done some kind of mail-in voting back to New Jersey that I didn’t look into, but that seemed like such a convoluted process to bother with not to mention it would cost me money whereas just walking to a polling place is free.
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Then surely you notified an election official, and the guy was detained, arrested, and found guilty, right?
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mailing address is proof of residency. and at least I thought you could swear to an affidavit of residency.
no I was young and couldn’t believe it. and I had no proof other than hearsay. before smart phone with record ability.
Not to derail or interrupt the discussion but, two things:
This sentence reminded me of a Family Guy episode where Brian was buying whisky in Texas and he got a gun with the bottle because it was the state’s law… 
To some people this would sound like you played with real dinosaurs or something. Since i’m probably from the same generation as yours i joke with the young people about how the first Jurassic Park movies were based in real facts of my youth.
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We could still go to a Finger Print system…
We can make sure people only VOTE ONCE! Felon’s whom aren’t allowed to vote could be blocked.
We need to make voting easier and more secure. Even potentially voting from home with Finger Print/SSN entry to verify.
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did you even bother to try and register to vote? I guess you have no mailing address?
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I tryed to register, and they said i was the wrong colour. Something about me not being black or native american or some bs like that, and then telling me that if i register, i have to register for a party and that i have to vote for that party or else i would be committing fraud. Suffice to say, i did not get to vote because i was afraid of what would happen if i registered dem, to vote for bernie just for him to lose and try to vote for stein. They need to make voter registration automatic so i do not have to worry about voter fraud when i vote.