I like the spells and traits of the meta divines 
! Their mechanics vary the dynamics of each match - which is what I enjoy about the game. However the mana cost relative to their power is way too low.
Donāt nerf the spellsā¦ raise the mana cost similar to The Worldbreaker.
My suggestions:
Ubastet 32
Infernus 28
Suna 24
Divine Ishbala and Forest Guardian 22
Divinia 18
I agree with the Freak. Raise the mana cost to allow variation back into the game. The world breaker and scorpius are higher in cost and weaker in effect than the troops in question for example. All of this could of course be avoided by proper beta testing.
Poor Suna. Isnāt even that amazing at 20 mana. At your suggested values, most of those troops would be nearly unusable. Rather take a proper fix instead in that case.
Other than Suna (which on second thought may be a bit high), these values are justified since Divines already start at 50% mana thanks to DI. None of the troops listed should be able to fill in the first turn.
An alternative is nerf DIās 3rd trait to 25%. That would be a simpler fix.
They already discussed lowering the half mana troops to 40%, tho I like your suggestion on raising the mana cost. They wonāt be unusable as mentioned above. You need to build a different team around these troops, not just slap all of the high tiered together.
Lowering Ishbaala to 40% wouldnāt make much of a difference, Divine teams would still get too much of a jump start. Several Divine troops are able to one-shot troops, so once their spell is ready without a counter being available, only extraordinary luck will save you. Other half mana enablers (e.g. King Silenus, Forest Guardian) currently donāt pose a problem, they only empower troops that hurt, not troops that usually instantly win the match.
Raising the mana cost of Divine troops isnāt a solution either, it would make them grossly overcosted when run without Ishbaala. Iād rather see some balance here, Ishbaala should neither make Divine troops unstoppable when included nor useless when not included.
^This^ is the issue as I see it. With a small handful of exceptions (Lord/Lady Ironbeard, Iām looking at youā¦), Highforge, Silenus and Forest Guardian donāt enable troops that can one-shot another troop. So Ishbaala is preferentially boosting troops that can turn the tide of battle with a single cast of their spell.
So are these OHKO divine troops balanced with Ishbaalaās bonus, or are they balanced without it? For that matter, are Lord/Lady Ironbeard balanced before or after Highforgeās bonus?
For current balance Iād like to point out my personal Gnome Factor:
Lady Ironbeard is fairly easy to counter, whack her once with anything cheap and her triple damage tends to be turned off. Lord Ironbeard is one of the many lose ends, the spell was supposed to do triple damage if the targeted troop has lower attack value. Since that turned out to not work yet, the spell was ātemporarilyā altered to deal triple damage to red instead. Unfortunately, reverting the quick fix never seems to have ranked high on the priority list, which is really a shame considering all the attack lowering/raising troops that could be used for counter play.
I donāt think Lord Ironbeard would need a change. Having troops āhate-counterā others provides us with strategic choices to use specially where they are needed like Guild Wars and maybe some other challenges.
Lord Ironbeard can one-shot some red troops, specially earlier thanks to King Highforge, but losing a single troops is manageable and you can still win, sometimes you can even prevent, survive and recover from the damage. But in the worst case you lose your troop we are talking about 25% loss of a team on letās say 20ish% (just considering the six colors are more or less equally distributed) of all troops available, unlike āUbs Divinesā that are capable to wipeout 50% of a team of any color with a very easy to achieve condition.
There are other troops capable of a conditional triple damage on targets, are they less used because there is nothing providing them wiith 50% starting mana? Yes.
Should they also be changed? In my opinion no.
Even with another troop helping the with 50% mana? Even so.
Why? Because to me it really makes an intelligent and interesting meta, if the devs would finally create more troops like that, and fix the gnollās spell targeting, then it would be a matter of making better choices from the very basic concepts of team building in offense and defense, manipulating the board, managing buffs and debuffs, not simply āLol random explosions and Sh#t Storms FTW!ā like we have now.
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This is the change Iād like to see, but the one that seems most unlikely. Release half mana starts for the other troop types (preferably ones with existing hero classes), and this āissueā solves itself.
There are several of them around already with some not being played at all.
Iād argue that even Ishbaala-less Divine teams would still trump most of the other trooptypes that currently have access to that 50% trait with regular pvp stats with Dwarfs really being the only ones that compete (and yeah they are red GW day champs).
Not saying that these trooptypes are bad necessarily, just saying they are still leagues below Divines even with that 50% trait so i doubt giving it to all trooptypes will make the issue āsolve itselfā, not if every planet killer base mythic ends up being Divine.
Yeah just saw this uploaded into the spoilersā¦
Balance is always broken. I donāt care.
At least we know where the weak spot is for the Death Star!
Iāve only just read this thread, but hereās a thought experiment for all the people who run the meta divine protector/infernus/ubaset/Ishbaala team:
A poll for when you would stop running Ishbaala in your team, either to switch here for someone like Mercy/Diviner or to just not run the team. The options are cumulative with the choices above them.
0 voters
This poll ignores the very basic fact that the only reason people use her is for her 3rd trait, and considering that youāve suggested no nerf at all to the 3rd trait, no one would care, and everyone would continue using her.
I donāt think this is entirely true, yes the trait is great but her spell is pure gold in a yellow Divine centered team.
Double transformers(colour->coulour+colour->skulls) are among the strongest and most flexible spells in the game and you can build all kinds of well running teams around them, albeit not as powerful as this particular one.
Personally if her spell was aweful, iād replace her asap.
I wouldnāt, as I rarely actually use her spell.
I fully agree with this! This is f***ing absurd!!! Does ANYONE out there not use Infernus??
Donāt think nerfing ubastet, infernus or ishbaala is necessary. However divine protector, beastly bow
and wapons like them way to powerful for there manacost. Would like to see them have 24 mana cost, so they will be close to Stonehammer.
