[Reported] Headstart ToD

[Lucien]

not to forget the 8 floors of boons that are being misses

[IbstockMafia]

I was wondering why I started on floor 9 and not 8 Last time I looked 2x8 is 16

[Kafka]

Update, I’ve reported the lack of Forge Scrolls and Boons when purchasing the Headstart offer.

The team will look into it tomorrow.

Regarding the forge scrolls we’ll make sure anyone who purchased the Headstart gets the expected amount for the Floors completed, as it’s not our intention to short change anyone.

The Boons might be more complicated but I will get more details tomorrow!

[MysticWeirdo]

Also missing 2 points for the missed luck scroll. Luck scrolls aren’t being doubled by the event weapon, not sure if that’s intentional.

[Kafka]

I’ve also made a known issues article here on the help center:

Tower of Doom Headstart offer doesn't award enough Forge Scrolls

[TheIdleOne]

will we get a doom score adjustment too?

since… well, we should be getting at least 16 (8 floors * 2 score from weapon) + 2/4 (from luck scrolls) and not the 14 that we currently have.

[Kafka]

I’ve asked about this too. I think I will be able to get more details about the starting score tomorrow as well.

[Lucien]

what about the missing boons? i am a scout for the guild so i have missed 8 floors worth of boons

[KINGOLLIE]

@Kafka

Thank you for looking into this, not sure if this was mentioned but the game has started me on Floor 9 but only given me 14 Doom points and 5 Forge Scrolls. My guild also had a Luck Scroll on Floor 8 which I have also missed out on.

[MattDB87]

Will you make the fixed offer available to buy again?

[Vorlon]

I just bought it for the shiny stuff, without thinking. I hope they give us the missing forge scrolls asap. Someone who didn’t buy it, can scout the first 8 floors, so that’s not a big problem, but I also lost out on a luck room. As we start on room 9, we should get 16 + 2 doom points.

[Kafka]

Hello, good morning, thank you for your patience overnight!

For players who purchased the Headstart offer for Tower of Doom:

• We are currently working on sending you your 3 Forge Scrolls that you didn’t receive - we are trying to get this to you before the weekend! (I’m being conservative, hopefully it will be much before the weekend)

• We are looking into adding 2 to your scores - this I can’t promise yet as there are risks involved. In the event this is too risky, or doesn’t pass testing we will sort out an alternative reward.
  * The Headstart was actually meant to boost everyone to the start of Floor 8, not the end, which is why only a score of 14 was given. We will compensate for completing Floor 8 as that’s where you were actually boosted to.

Regarding the Boons, Luck Scrolls, Fireball and Heroism Scrolls - I have passed the feedback about missing these from previous floors onto the team for consideration. In this case we’re focusing more on the Luck, Fireball and Heroism Scrolls as some things will be missed due to purchasing the Headstart, similar to how you miss out on rewards and the easier battles in the other events if you purchase a Headstart.

This feedback will most likely be considered for future events/updates, however, if it’s decided something will be done for this current event we will let you all know.

[Mithran]

@Kafka

Regarding the Boons, Luck Scrolls, Fireball and Heroism Scrolls - I have passed the feedback about missing these from previous floors onto the team for consideration. In this case we’re focusing more on the Luck, Fireball and Heroism Scrolls as some things will be missed due to purchasing the Headstart, similar to how you miss out on rewards and the easier battles in the other events if you purchase a Headstart.

If you are skipped to the end of floor 8, as was done now, you missed exactly 1 Luck scroll due to how Luck scroll distribution works. Those that bought the offer need 18 dooms as their starting score, not 16. Also, nobody would have encountered a Heroism scroll by this point because they are clamped to 12 floor pools starting at floor 13. Edit: Fireball scrolls are 1 per 6 floor starting at floor 7, so clearing floor 8 from the deal would have had a 1/3 chance to miss a fireball scroll.(as noted before, fireball scrolls matter very little overall though by comparison) Without you having this knowledge yourself, I urge you to check with the team that this has been how it worked since patch 4.3. It will be nearly impossible for me to “prove” to you that these are the exact thresholds despite having charted this out over and over and over no matter how much evidence I provide, as the only official source links I could find were here, which don’t exactly specific how they are clamped:

Doom Event: Remove scroll randomness to make the event fair for every guild participating

This is something we’re already addressing in the 4.3 update. Herosim and Fireball scrolls will follow a similar drop pattern to Luck scrolls, in that there will be one within a given amount of floors after you’ve passed a certain point.

Although the patch notes only mention Fireball and Heroism, Luck scrolls are definitely clamped. We’ve had dozens of tower events since this point and they always follow the “1 every 4 floor set, starting at floor 5” pattern.

@Sirrian

Tower of Doom will now give out Fireball + Heroism scrolls consistently across all guilds

Surely there has to be someone around that knows the ins and outs of how Tower of Doom works and can design an offer that, bare minimum, does not shortchange on the event score? Boons and scouting have nebulous value, clamped luck scrolls don’t.

On a related note, if you are going to keep the headstart offer as is I’d recommend just having it clear past stage 8 on purpose and giving 18 dooms, as I’m pretty sure the offer can’t calculate whether or not the luck scroll will be on floor 8 that far ahead of time and you run into murky waters if you clear to stage 8 where you simply had a high chance of the luck scroll being passed over (as the scroll for 5-8 could still be on stage 8).

[IbstockMafia]

So what have I learned from this, is not to jump in and buy anymore headstart’s. I will just do it the old fashioned way. But we live and learn

[MysticWeirdo]

@Mithran

’m not sure when Fireball scroll distribution starts

Fireball scrolls are 1 per 6 floors starting from floor 7.

[Mithran]

Thank you, I’ve got a second source on this so I’ll edit my post accordingly.

[Kafka]

@Mithran

If you are skipped to the end of floor 8, as was done now, you missed exactly 1 Luck scroll due to how Luck scroll distribution works. Those that bought the offer need 18 dooms as their starting score, not 16. Also, nobody would have encountered a Heroism scroll by this point because they are clamped to 12 floor pools starting at floor 13. Edit: Fireball scrolls are 1 per 6 floor starting at floor 7, so clearing floor 8 from the deal would have had a 1/3 chance to miss a fireball scroll.(as noted before, fireball scrolls matter very little overall though by comparison) Without you having this knowledge yourself, I urge you to check with the team that this has been how it worked since patch 4.3. It will be nearly impossible for me to “prove” to you that these are the exact thresholds despite having charted this out over and over and over no matter how much evidence I provide, as the only official source links I could find were here, which don’t exactly specific how they are clamped

We mayyyy need to check the game data and code for this as it’s not intended to work this way.
Some things have a higher chance of appearing than others, so either your sample size was too small or something has been introduced to the code that has affected the rules around these drops.

I am usually hesitant to go the “your sample size is too small” route without a thorough check. So I reported this to the team. Not sure what could have been introduced to the code to affect this but we’ll take a look just in case.

Suspicious

[Mithran]

@Kafka

We mayyyy need to check the game data and code for this as it’s not intended to work this way.
Some things have a higher chance of appearing than others, so either your sample size was too small or something has been introduced to the code that has affected the rules around these drops.

Wait what? I linked patch notes and a dev response for when it was, specifically, changed to work this way. It didn’t always work this way on the original ToD launch in 4.1 and there are a whole lot of complaint/feedback posts about luck/heroism/fireball being way too random before this point, giving an unfair advantage to some guild or another. Then in 4.3, they were clamped to guarantee a specific amount per floor range to somewhat equalize them between guilds. Why would it not be intended to work this way an entire four years later after this requested change was implemented?

Heres one such complaint thread from before the change that clamped heroism, luck and fireball scroll was added:

No heroism scroll in tower of doom

Xbox. All 25 floors completely cleared, not a single heroism scroll.

For scrolls other than luck, heroism, and fireball, there is no such clamping and it does still appear to be weighted random chance. But Luck scroll will always be exactly 1 every 4 floors except the first 4, fireball always exactly 1 every 6 floors except the first 6, and heroism always be exactly 1 every 12 floors except the first 12. And again, its been like this for four years, and widely discussed across the forums.

Heres one such thread discussing this as the status quo in 2020 (while requesting other scrolls be normalized as well):

Haste scrolls need to be evenly distributed in the Tower of Doom

In the Tower of Doom, it’s well known that Luck, Fireball, and Heroism scrolls are guaranteed to appear at a certain rate across a number of floors. Valravens are also supposed to appear by a certain of rooms. These measures are sensible in the interests of fairness to different guilds. This Tower of Doom, my guild has not found a single Haste scroll in the first 16 floors. I have never seen this happen before. In fact, we found a Heroism scroll before we found a single Haste scroll! While I co…

Heres another from earlier this year:

Tower of Doom?

Just wanted to add something that isn’t in the official docs, though slightly off topic. Some scrolls are distributed in the tower evenly: 1 luck scroll for every 4 floors (none on first 4 floors) 1 fireball scroll for every 6 floors (none on first 6 floors) 1 heroism scroll for every 12 floors (none on first 12 floors)

I’ve been in guilds that have this info right in their tracker spreadsheets, and it has, to this day, always been correct. Dozens of tower of doom events across multiple guilds. All it would have taken to disprove it was a single misplaced luck, fireball or heroism scroll (or lack of one in a given block of rooms). Are you really claiming that this thing we asked for, was delivered on using this implementation four years ago, and was widely accepted as intended the entire time was, in fact, not intended and nobody on the team would have even realized until just now?

[ANGI]

I can’t believe the amount of incompetence your team has.
And again: “The Headstart was actually meant to boost everyone to the start of Floor 8, not the end…”
This is wrong wording as “an end of floor 8” doesn’t exists, you start at floor 8 or floor 9, that’s it!
If you want to make more money with these headstarts i would suggest:

• Change wording to start at the 9th level of the tower with starting score of 18 (that includes the already missed luck scroll)
• give out 8 forge scrolls
  That’s all!
  And btw, look into the upcoming headstarts for Raid and Journey to avoid the next complaints.

[DAeron]

@Mithran

Are you really claiming that this thing we asked for, was delivered on using this implementation four years ago, and was widely accepted as intended the entire time was, in fact, not intended and nobody on the team would have even realized until just now?

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