It’s that kingdoms to level 10, or 10 Stars (power level)? I don’t think all kingdoms are able to get to power level 10, where you get another skill point for the kingdom. Power level 5 and 10 give you another, in addition to kingdoms being at level 10.
kingdoms for sure I’d have to check to be sure about actual power level but I think I have at least 1 or two but like I said I’d have to check I think he was talking about the kingdom level not kingdom power level
What would be really telling is if you shared a screenshot of your bonuses. People in lvl 1000+ guilds with all basic tasks completed, and with all kingdoms pushed as high as they go in level and power level, plus delve bonuses, have much higher team scores. That 70 points you got is between 31 and 50 points for them. 70 points does not happen.
So I’m basically a testificate to see why some ppl are getting more points than others?
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We already know why. The gripe seems to primarily be that players with all of those things have to work twice as hard for gold, and for leaderboard points. What this amounts to is that all of these level 1400+ players, many of whom have provided hundreds or thousands of dollars to finance the development of this game in exchange for pulls on a slot machine, now have to work twice as hard, while people who have done nothing and contribute nothing, get rewarded double for the effort. The pvp points, i kinda get…the gold reduction is just throttling People who know how to earn big.
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It just goes by the level of you and your opponent and takes the difference.
It doesn’t. It’s based on the team score (in blue), and that difference. Team score is based on the team you use and all of the bonus skill points that the player has. A level 1100 player with no guild, or a bad one, may have lower team scores that a level 800 in a really strong guild. Depends on the bonuses earned.
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Everyone I’ve asked or seen it’s always been level difference
I remember it being explained a while ago it was team score. Things could of changed I guess
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The reason so many people are complaining since the update, is that the rework to team scores has caused things to be remarkably worse for successful players.
Both are incorrect. It is a complicated formula based on how an obfuscated number based on either how much global score bonus or max score potential you have on the account versus the absolute score of the defense team for gold payout, with the trophy slot the match appearing in also influencing the range of PvP points a battle can give. Level is only one component of this formula, and the point differential for level anywhere past the 1000s is less than the point differential for a single other instance of something that would grant a skill bonus (you get a fraction of a point for every level past 1000 and the diminishing returns gets even worse as you level more).
For comparison purposes, to get your Max Score Potential you need to:
- Make a team with three mythic (doesn’t matter if ascended or base mythics, worth the same points) fully traited troops on the team
- Make the hero class for the team your highest champion level hero
- Put the hero on the team using a weapon that you have the highest amount of upgrades in
To get your Global Score Bonus:
- Put four mythic fully traited (non hero) troops on the same team
- Subtract 5100 points to get how many points your account alone is adding (450 for each fully traited troop, 125 for each mythic troop, 700 for each level 20 troop).
- You can also do this by putting in 1 level 1 untraited common and subtracting 35 points to get the same number, or anywhere in between and subtracting how many points the troops add (50 for first trait, 150 for second trait, 250 for third, 35 per level, 25 per rarity above common)
The formula takes one of these (it is not immediately clear which since most my accounts are past the point where I can increase MSP without GSB), combines it with some unknown modifier (possibly just a score offset), compares it to the defense team score in a non-linear fashion, and gives payouts accordingly. Increasing your bonuses increases your minimum payout, but increases the amount of points a defense will be that it will give this minimum payout. Gold payouts below a certain score are pegged at minimum, increase slowly past that, increase the most during a certain range of scores past that, and then taper off again in a fashion as they approach max payout. This is readily observable for any given account by documenting score ranges and payouts and how they change as you get more things that grant score, which I have done extensively in the past. This is harder to observe at endgame when there aren’t a lot of choices to demonstrate “strong” opponents and the only way you can alter your score appreciably is just leaving your guild.
PvP point payouts function similarly have another component that is based on which trophy-slot they appear in, and trophy-slots are always organized by team score when first offered to you, but the matchmaking pool they are pulled from is varied, so you can easily have your “strongest” fight be with a 12k score opponent. Which, if you are close enough to max, would give you 31 points and 1100 or 1200 gold. And this will happen multiple times in a row. Which is really frustrating. Which is what people are responding to.
Basically, high top end is broken because you so rarely get matched with other high top end, because people that are not top end get matched with them as well and there are only so many to go around. The “variety fix” also may be playing a role here, because teams tend to get very samey at a certain point, so at least some of these might be getting filtered. And because of the non-linear way the formula works, fighting things below a certain score heavily penalizes your payouts to the point where you might as well fight minimum payout matches all the time.
Similar things have happened with score before when more score bonuses became available and few people had them, and those partially self corrected with time, but are unlikely to this time because five star kingdoms and completed guild tasks are somewhat of an eventuality while ten star kingdoms and renown stats are not. Also, if the variety fix is preventing some things from appearing in the pool, you’ve heavily culled possible opponents with decent payouts.
Currently, an account that is behind on just a few 10 star kingdom bonuses and renown stats is currently in optimum position here to have a good minimum payout and enough “strong” opponents on the three trophy to not be completely stalled by repeated three trophy matches at near-minimum payout.
The simplest way to fix this would be to change the offset portion of the formula to consider a wider range of scores viable targets for endgame - a few hundred points is all that is really needed. That, and a matchmaking tweak so you get just a bit fewer “weak” opponents on your three trophy slot. This would put people with everything maxed at a similar earning potential as those with almost everything maxed. So, basically, make 12k score payouts viable for people near maxed out, and make sub-12k score opponents not appear so often on three trophy slots. I would say just fix the matchmaking to strongly prefer at least one strong opponent, but for many people, this would result in playing the same opponents over and over and over. PvP point payouts are more broken than they have ever been in history because of the huge disparity in score ranges that common appears in the three trophy slot, and the minimum threshold for PvP points the three-trophy slot as you approach max score limit should honestly just be increased at this point.
As an aside, I highly doubt any drastic change or rework is going to make PvP more profitable over time than it currently is, or even was pre-patch. Given our history of how things generally work when they are changed, I’m pretty surprised so many people are willing to dive over that cliff.
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heres mine…all tasks comleted couple of lts i get low 30s pvp pts for 3trophy fight
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Why is this being debated?
It’s not that difficult folks.
Player A: Max stats + LT guild: 10 points per trophy average.
Player B: Max Stats, but no LT guild: 15-20 points per trophy average.
Player C: LT guild, but no Max stats: 15-20 points per trophy average.
Player D: No max stats, no LT guild: 20-24 points per trophy average.
I get it folks. If you aren’t Player A then you don’t give a 
. That’s why it’s so easy to make a nerf like this. Only a minority of your players will have an issue with this. It’s just like in real life when you hear rich people are going to be taxed more. You think, they’re rich. They can afford it. Up until you become that rich person and realize it’s a completely crap way to do things.
Face it end gamers, the devs don’t want you to play anymore. They’re too nice to say GTFO… So instead they let Ranked PvP say it for them.
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That poop emoji gets me everytime lol. And yes agree with all of that. Although at this point I would rather them say something about it then say nothing. Even if they were telling end gamers to pack it in, least we would know.
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The reason its so easy to throw end gamers under the bus is that we are past our spending peak, so it’s hard to get us to spend money. They’ve limited Spoils of War to 10 a week, so that were more likely to miss new legendary troops (which they charge $50 for), epic ingots are extremely hard to find, and are also for sale in the shop, and gold diversion seems to be a goal ever since they had to goo through and manually resend LT rewards last year when an xbox guild had someone drop 100 million in a day. We’ve figured out how to maximize our rewards by grinding for it, rather than spending money, so we don’t matter.
I never spent glory on the spoils of war until they limited it to 10 then I figured eh why not