Sure some in this thread has lot to learn from you @Cheersdude. You are grateful for your guildmates and their Kingdom progression, as it should be, friends comes first.
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Its a game.
Im hsppy.
And lower level players got boosts, so there happy.
Isnt the point of it being a game, is to mske the majority happy.
People being unhappy doesnt make me hsppy.
I really dont get the problem. Only higher people got less. So whats the complaint
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I think people are just making things up. People that do not play now have their kingdoms higher than the people that live on the game is made up by folks. The people that play a lot are in the most active guilds with players that do the same and these players are the ones with the most resources including the books and deeds that were converted. There is a less than zero chance that a player that never plays makes it more than a week in one of those guilds without getting the boot. Basically it’s a nice conversation piece but it is not true. The top guilds in game players had their kingdoms higher highest level kingdoms before the update and they still do after the update. Anyone saying otherwise is talking nonsense. Everyone gained from the update. No one lost anything. Some gained more and some gained less but it’s just a stat point or 2 and the only ones that are really important are the magic ones so folks need to get a grip. It’s just a game at the end of the day.
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Not everyone is in a top 5 guild. In fact, 95+%. So, you have a bad take and we have hard facts. We are not saying players not playing. We are saying the players that stopped at Kingdom 15. I am 70 skill points behind someone was the same level and had less 20/30 kingdoms. Before I was ahead of them in skill points. If you do not care you should be equal conversion, good for you. But the there are many far worse off. Get over it. We lost skill points by spending our books. Many leapfrogged ahead. Go read the ‘math’ above and posts from guild leaders of non-top 5 guilds. The math does not add up. That gap can never be made up in the new system.
The devs came up with a conversion system which over-valued unspent deeds, books and imperial deeds.
This has led to anyone who had not converted these resources to be very well rewarded in this new system, relatively. It is real, a couple of players went from 12 and 37 stat points behind me to 20 and 13 points in front of me, respectively. That’s a big gain relatively (32 and 50 stat points).
I don’t begrudge them for this. They either read the tea-leaves in the spoiler threads or game files better than anyone else in the community or were just lucky.
What is more interesting to me is why the devs chose to do this. And let’s be very clear on this, they have full visibility of the data, knew that this would be an outcome and still went ahead with it.
In addition the new system implemented requires real money, not time played, to catch-up and go ahead. I must assume that the devs wanted a small percentage of the player base to get ahead to prompt real money spend by those leap-frogged.
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Everyone got the same conversion rate. If players upgraded kingdoms for no reason and wasted gold and other things and they did not even get a stat boost absolutely made no sense. Now these folks want a special conversion rate just for them. The players that had resources to max all their kingdoms would then be at a disadvantage because these folks earned their extra resources and would rather role back those kingdoms from 20 to 15. I am not sure why folks are complaining because I am not maxed and I am finding battles pretty dang easy but I digress. The only thing I can think of is jealousy
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so this update was an immense windfall for me and my partner. We’ve been burnt out on GoW for a long time, would have left years ago if not for our guildmates, so it’s been ages since we bothered mathing out the optimal kingdom upgrade path.
Our stockpiles of unspent books turned into a massive glut of crystals. When our guild chat was discussing the changeover and comparing progress, it quickly became evident that the people who had played the longest and worked the hardest now have the least to show for it.
Even my guild leader, who puts in hundreds of hours more than me every month, and spends lavishly: after this update I leapfrogged his progress, in spite of everything he’s devoted to the game.
It does not feel good.
This should have been a great, satisfying change for all involved. Now I’ve landed a completely unfair edge, not by way of good gameplay or solid planning, but by some unforeseeable, nonsensical asymmetry slopped together by the devs.
It’s not like our guild chat is full of complaints or anything. Quite the opposite really, where there used to be lively talk, it’s been getting quieter and quieter. It feels like our most dedicated players keep having their enthusiasm stomped out, and now have a foot out the door.
How hard would it have been to stay evenhanded? Treat every spent book and deed identical to the stockpiled ones? Reward everyone equally. No one could possibly make a grievance of that.
Instead, the devs have returned to their oldest trick, and thrown ice-cold water in the faces of the very people they should be working hardest to make happy. And, bonus, managed to sow plenty of ill-will and resentment among players while they’re at it. Bravo.
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The update is good, no one said otherwise. That some have earned more than others is not necessarily the problem, so much the better for them. On the other hand, to have deliberately made an unfair conversion without justifying it or answering questions is already a concrete problem.
When I read some people say “what’s 1 or 2 more stat points, it’s nothing in the game” => Already, we’re not talking about 1 or 2 points being 20-30 points more (whereas some players who benefited the most from conversion were instead a 10 or even more behind).
This stat discrepancy does indeed have little effect, except on two elements of the game: the JCJ and Guild Wars.
And which populations tended to move forward in order to obtain additional statistics? Mainly players who are interested in this content.
Such a huge stat difference for these two game modes, yes that has an effect that is and will be clearly visible.
And the difference caused by the conversion, which was clearly abusive (1 book for 16 crystals) and correct of the other (1 book for 3-4 crystals), more than deserves real questions and answers.
So, no, saying that there is no “negative” effect is just as wrong as talking about the players’ activity.
@mgmt Thank you for this feedback, which clearly shows the facts and not just the “desires/jealousy” as some people assume. Being one of those players “negatively” impacted by these choices, it seems that some people take the facts presented as “jealousy” when they are just facts, no more and no less… For which I would like to have real explanations and feedback from the GOW team.
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And to complete, here is a comparison of one unit between 3 players from my guild:
My unit :
A player’s unit in the same case as me (and which was basically equivalent to 3rd in terms of play, with just an advantage over these realms and therefore no stocks.)
And finally, the player who had all these kingdoms lv 16 (and which therefore had much less statistics. And that if the conversion balance existed, it would have ended up with stats similar to the second case.) :
So no, it’s not subject to 1-2 stat points.
Im just devastated I leveled up khetar to 30 the week before this update. All those juicy magic crystals id have. Could have gotten the 3 up to 60. Where’s my compensation? 
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Lol this is called pretending you hit the jackpot. To make the people complaining angry.
Your inciting. I dont brlieve you. As im not naive. Youve a few likes from the naive.
Send your gamertag to jeto. To prove this happened. 
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And all 3 units. Do exactly the same job. To the AI opponents.
So the numbers mean nothing lol.
Again i reiterate, what others got. Doesnt effect. Your wins lol.
This thread is now getting a little trolly or gobliny in you prefer
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You’re missed the point. The troops are examples of what stat difference could be between players who handled their resources and upgrades differently, because someone above claimed "it’s just a stat point or 2 " difference at best. This clearly disproves that.
I’m in the frustrated group, who upgraded shortly before the update launched. My frustration is not about what others gained compared to what I gained. I’m happy for them, and I barely play PvP and put in a good try in GW but I’m not overly competitive. What I care about and what I missed was a major chunk of personal progression. That’s the whole point of a live service game like this, to me. Progression and completion. This shouldn’t be hard to understand. Not everything is about envy.
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But im the same level im 1789.
Same level troops, kingdoms, tribute.
Never lost any progression.
Would you care to explain. Exactly what you lost, without mentiining what others got.
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I feel its like saying i won the lottery i won a million.
But i lost because some other person won a lottery that was 2 million, so i didnt win a million. I lost a million.
I really wish Jeto had enough courage to say. Its done its over nothings changing. Weve helped extend the game life with the last 2 updates. Astral and unlimited kingdom progression.
This thread needs locked , ended. And the people that complain for nothing. Warned any further posts, will be deleted.
Id rather someone swore at me, than people kept complaining, about a nothingness.
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@Cheersdude I see it you also entered the new update like them with empty hands and tons of kingdoms maxed, beforehand. You watched guildmates passing you by after the update too. Right?
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No one passed me.
My pop is 2.7 mill. No one in my full guild passed me. And weve a player that had ocd. And hoarded everything lol.
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UR PAASSED MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
NOW WHAT IM GONNA DO 
I THINK I WILL QUIT THE GAME.
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Ask for compensation , or threaten to quit.
While revisiting this firum every hour.
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Damn, how many books did he have?
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