Oh no, I get that. Was just pointing out that he was like that.
Yeah, that’s what I mean. He didn’t really threaten to leave, so much as he got what he wanted and was nasty about it. I can’t remember any times he didn’t get what he wanted and left or threatened to leave. That’s the bit I might not be remembering.
As for the attitude of entitlement, that makes sense for what you were saying. Not a perfect fit, but I see what you meant.
I find it annoying when people think the way they play a game is the “right” way and anyone else is wrong. Totally agree.
Having said that, I think people here are more pointing out that the devs are treating one playstyle more generously than another. Which falls more into the idea of saying one is “right” and one is “wrong”.
Yeah, I don’t think that’s a great tactic. It looks bad and you either have to go through with it and leave the game, or back down and look worse.
If they want to leave, and they’re saying so, fair enough. But they can’t expect one or a few people threatening to leave to change anything.
Agreed. But I think here most of us are agreeing that what the devs did wasn’t fair (some people DID get more than others from the same resources). The debate is whether it was justified, whether people care about other people being treated differently, and whether or not the devs should have done something different.
Still going round in circles, though.
I think that indeed, we agree, the question is mainly about fairness regardless of the way you play.
And the lack of feedback on these issues does not really help to move things forward…
As for the players who threaten to leave… It is indeed irrelevant in the questions asked about the choice and the consequences of these.
On the other hand, here is what would still save me a feedback from the GoW team from my point of view and for which, it does not give a good impression to leave without an answer:
1- How to justify past purchases containing books for the purpose of using them have become less valuable, so much so that these purchases and uses have enabled many other players to end up with much higher levels of prestige ?
This difference in level translates into a difference of 5 LV for the least significant ones to about 30 LV for those who had really used nothing in books from the beginning.
2- how can one justify the “normal” attendance and use of resources by creating such a gain gap for the same resource ? (I won’t go back over the calculations available here :I’ve been punished for my playstyle - #78 by Kirian )
It is therefore abnormal to be penalized for having used resources following a misjudged conversion because, after some checks, a kingdom in level 20 has had as its conversion book: 1 book = between 3 and 4 crystals instead of 16.
In the current state of conversions, it suggests that the best way to play is to do nothing (doing nothing with these resources)… Which is rather contrary to what we would expect.
Result of the update: Assiduous players, who played regularly and who sought to fulfill the objectives of realms (potentially with purchases of campaign passes, etc.), were heavily penalized by their efforts to correctly set up their accounts…
How can this result be justified?
It is true that overall everyone gains from the update, however, the balance was still not there. But this difference in gain is highly unequal.
For small players and other players who stock a lot, the bet was incredible; for players who made an effort to reach the levels they had before the update (filling in kingdoms, etc.), the update is simply “equivalent”. See a slight more compared to the old system.
I have a concrete example in my guild: we compared a bit the before and after update: one of our players had all these Lv16 realms because he didn’t have “Earn 2500 Faction Renown”.
Result : He ended up with all these royumes lv 60-70 minimum thanks to the astronomical quantity of crystals received. Next to that, I had all used my kingdoms, but my kingdoms barely made it to Level 60. (and for another player, it was even worse, it’s the LV 50 he can’t reach)
We compared in general terms, the overall difference in prestige (simplifying on the LV with statistics):
If the conversion was identical: In total, 772,640 exp and 771 prestige lv were “lost” for me.
So instead of having a difference of 430 LV below (knowing that tasks, I have almost more to do unlike him), it would have been a difference of around 341 LV above.
These are the effects of the choice of conversions made, for which it would be good to have explanations.
But that’s not really the case. Those players played the game every day, and you know that. They simply had different priorities and weren’t as focused on getting all their Kingdoms to level 30. Just because they didn’t prioritize kingdom leveling as much as you did doesn’t mean they were doing nothing, lol.
The translation may not be ideal, or the sentence incomplete. I’m not saying that players who accumulate don’t play every day. Because indeed, it’s another way to play.
The “to do nothing” was referring rather to the use of resources and not to player activity.
For a game, one would not expect such a disadvantage to have tried to fulfill the existing objectives.
I uninstalled the game a week ago. I will never play any game from 505 Games / Infinity Plus Two again. The update was unfair. I feel cheated. I played for 6 years and was treated like garbage. I hope Gems of War is shut down soon.
Does 505 Games at least pay some rent for the headspace they occupy amongst that subset of “players who uninstalled the game”? It would be a terrible thing if somebody quit playing but was still bothered enough to keep (complaining) here without getting something in return for their angst.
You get more that you had but still think of it like a treating.
That is like in a fairy tale:
The man found a magic goose, the goose said - make a wish and i will make it true, BUT your neighbour will get twice you have. The man said - poke one of my eyes out!
This thread is becoming unbearable to watch. The schadenfreude from people who weren’t affected is honestly disappointing. Just because it didn’t hurt you doesn’t mean it wasn’t a bad decision. What’s even more frustrating is that many of you haven’t offered any real reasoning. Instead of addressing the issue itself, you’re simply dismissing the people who were negatively affected.
The developers are making such a major change with only one week’s notice, and it wasn’t even included in the 2026 roadmap. As I mentioned, statistically there is a small percentage of players—around 10%—who just happened to save enough books to max a kingdom (or two or three kingdoms of different colors) right before the patch. That’s 50k becoming 10k XP on each upgrade. It’s true that we shouldn’t care much about kingdom maxing years ago. But what about players who did it two weeks ago? That’s completely unmerited suffering for them. Under any circumstances, this should be considered a mistake.
People can spend months, or even a year, saving enough books for these upgrades. I call it a statistical issue because it’s essentially random—there will always be players who happen to upgrade their kingdoms at the “wrong time” just before a change like this. Through no fault of their own, they end up losing a significant amount of value.
Some of the affected players have mentioned that they’ve been playing for 6-7 years. After investing that much time into the game, it’s understandable that they would be upset. It’s not easy to simply walk away without voicing their concerns when they feel their long-term effort has been devalued overnight.
I’ve been playing a lot since 2017. And maxed 24 kingdoms within the last year. So I didn’t have any books left except a few yellow ones since those were done completely under the old system. Still I’m not mad (pun intended, my guild is MADD), but I continue to play and enjoy the game. And to upgrade my kingdoms again. All of them have been between lower 40s and 60. Mostly 50-60, initially 5 below 50, now 2.
Sure, others made a bigger leap while playing less. Who cares? Not me. I’ll catch up and pass them again eventually. And it doesn’t even matter since only my own game and stats matter to me. Not what others have or do. Might be a little different concerning my guild members. But still. I said what I said. I don’t feel punished at all …
I don’t necessarily think it’s primarily schadenfreude. Though I’m sure there is some amount of that in any group. Personally, I think it’s mostly pragmatism. I say this as one of those impacted negatively. Do I wish it had gone differently? Of course. Do I wish the dev team had people on it who were actually capable of foreseeing issues like this and avoiding them? Definitely. But they don’t. We already know they don’t from many other past issues. It’s clearly not malicious - I believe they did their best. I don’t think they get enough support in the form of work hours to do things much better. It just is what it is.
Knowing that, we all have a choice to make. Do we enjoy this enough to look past that and keep playing or not? For the moment, I’m at yes, though admittedly that could change any time. But for now, at least, I have enough stats to do everything I care about. And the fact that some people now have more than me, while a touch annoying, doesn’t directly impact me all that much. PVP battles, I suppose. But there were always people above me anyway. And it’s not like losing there really matters for anything. If I cared deeply about Guild Wars I might feel differently, but I don’t. If they start balancing events based on people having higher stats, that might change my mind. But for now, I’m fine.
I don’t blame anyone else for their own feelings based on how they’ve been impacted - this is just where I’m at. So anyway, all this is to say that I don’t really think there’s as much schadenfreude as you think. Or at least, that’s what I’m choosing to believe.
And im assuming everyone like me is the same position.
My point is, i dont care if lower levels hoarded. I dint care if they got closer to me on kingdoms.
What they have doesnt effect me.
Iv lost nithing, others gained more, good luck to them. Im not envious, jelous or any other silly immature emotion. What they got, does not effect my wins, playstyle,playtime or anything atall.
Can you please tell me were your effected game wise, apart from someone got a bigger bag of fries than you.
People are acting nuts on here, if you didnt know what others got, youd be happy.
I dont need crying replies.
Id like 1 mature reply, in telling me, exactly were , what others got. Effects what you can do in game. And if you havnt got anything to answer thst. Then dont bother.
To me the update is fine, because I only had 1 or 2 kingdoms at 30, now all but 1 kingdom is 50+, so it feels like the update gave me all level 30 kingdoms (except 1 of course) with room for improvement.
Sure some in this thread has lot to learn from you @Cheersdude. You are grateful for your guildmates and their Kingdom progression, as it should be, friends comes first.
