Guild Wars and sisters guilds

[madking]

@yonizaf

Even if what you say is true, that is just a minor detail that does not change my point. In my opinion, the way you and your guildmates behaved in this thread was very wrong, possibly unforgivable. Surely more so than someone ‘cheating’ in a way that is not really illegal, but you personally happen to think as immoral.

What? Only for asking the devs what is or not allowed in GW?

[Darkness]

No offense intended, but that’s nonsense. You may think it’s wrong ( your opinion), but that’s completely irrelevant. The rules as defined by the devs state what is wrong and according to those rules what DonBoba did was not wrong.

[ogunther]

@Delinquent

You can be self-reflective. I encourage you to do so. I think basically anything related to Guild Wars will suffice.

What a copout but honestly I’m not surprised. It’s easy to make baseless accusations but a little harder to back them up.

“Here take all these accusations!”

Um what are you basing them on?

“You figure it out!”

I’ll get right on that

[beanie42]

@efh313

Everybody can take a break from this and enjoy some light reading!
Finnigan Hinklebolt: Apprentice... Ordinaire (A GoW Fan Fiction)

Good point, and your story is less explosive then this thread (see what I did there ).

[Vangor]

Here is where i would post a meme saying “cybop sees what you did there” lol

[madking]

@madking

My opening post was intended to ask for a clear answer from the dev about guild collaboration in GW.

I agree with you that every guild MUST work hard to beat better guilds than focusing on thinking about “grey” behavior used by rivals.

At the same time I think that asking for a clarification could bring every guild to a more satisfying competition.

Knowing what everyone can do and what is allowed, for me, is the base for choosing if take part or not in a game.

And I think that this answer can be useful not only for top guilds, but also for newer guilds, as in lower brackets such agreement can give greater advantages (for promotion/demotion)

Thanks all for your answers and sorry if my English is not so good

@Saltypatra

I did indeed wake up to all the pings!

The good news is I have an answer for you all regarding this issue.

Technically, guilds trying this aren’t doing that’s considered illegal in game. However, we have doubts over whether it’s really viable to organize entire guilds to do this.

Looking at the issue, I think we can all agree that this sort of approach isn’t in the spirit of Guild Wars. If we see it affecting results in any significant way we will implement some changes to punish this kind of behavior.

I think that these two posts say all. Q&A, simple and straight

[efh313]

@beanie42

Good point, and your story is less explosive then this thread (see what I did there ).

YES I DID!!

But you can only be in the know if you read

Finnigan Hinklebolt: Apprentice... Ordinaire (A GoW Fan Fiction)

FH: A…O, Prologue “Finnigan, I wouldn’t…” “That Bombot needs serious…” “DON’T TOUCH IT!” “Relax everybody…” said Finnigan, as the workplace breathed a collective sigh of relief, believing the threat had passed. The Adanan maintenance workers were suddenly choking on that sigh as Finnigan turned back to the malfunctioning bot. “… besides what are the odds that another one…” #KABOOM!!!# “Have you ever noticed how peaceful the world is…? Particularly after you’ve been blown up? Sure most peop…

[Vangor]

@efh313 ok ok ill read it… Gawd stomps outta the room

[DonBoba]

I have to add that none of the Black Dragon members were in any possible way malicious to me or to Mean Machine.
I am not taking any sides (i don’t know if i can take a side as MM seams to be the separating line in here), just stating what was said towards us from BD.

[Lyya]

In my opinion, this thread is a perfect example of why you don’t put concrete names with accusations on forums (“name and shame,” so to speak). In this instance, @DonBoba did this to himself, as @Ashasekayi’s post was suitably anonymous. Once it got personal, the debate quickly lost a lot of value as things devolved into ad hominem.

Many people who would otherwise be interested in the substance of a conversation – and may be potential contributers in their own right – can be turned off by a climate of personal hostility. I know I, at least, have difficulty offering my opinion in that atmosphere.

[Vangor]

I really think everyone needs to just cool down… Grand scheme of things: its predominantly a misunderstanding and i know ive said it already but dammit there is no reason for open hostility in this situation especially when there isnt any between the ppl originally involved…

Insert “cant we all just get along” meme here

[Ashasekayi]

@DonBoba This thread ended up burning in fire. However, I want to say that I have a great amount of respect for you. Most people would have run away from the heat or lashed out. Yet, you’ve shown a lot of class and courage in this thread.

[efh313]

@Vangor

@efh313 i agree and i apologize for not being clear with my statement so let me clarify: wirh the reward system in place now there is no motivation to move up in brackets… i.e. the rewards GotO received week 1 were the same as we received week 2 and will be the same this week regardless of where we finish.

With little hope of being able to compete for top bracket the only motivation to advance is pride in my guild.

This may not be the place to have this discussion but I suppose it can’t make things worse.
In my opinion, when the forum community was advocating for a Bracketed structure to GW, we (and I can only confirm myself, so assume the royal we for the time being) ASSUMED that a bracketed reward structure would come along with it.

When I saw the post that the devs had changed GW to a Bracket system I was elated, but then I kept reading. In my mind, the devs only gave us HALF of what was requested. By leaving the rewards on a full ladder, but bracketing the playing field they have erased all incentive for competition in ALL brackets save Bracket 1… That is a flaw in a design if the competitive motivator/factor is only felt by 10 guilds each week, and should be addressed post haste.

IMHO.

[Vangor]

Ill tell you all what…

I will build the campfire (dont worry @ogunther ill only use fallen trees)

@efh313 can bring the ukulele

@Ashasekayi can bring the smores fixins

@yonizaf send out the invites

@DonBoba can bring the beer

And we all can have a bonfire party and sing kumbaiya dont know how to spell it lol

[htismaqe]

You’re splitting hairs on a moral equivalency.

Nobody in their right mind could think that colluding with another guild to rig GW results is good for the game as a whole.

The spirit and integrity of the game and its competition don’t just hinge on the “written rules”. If they do, then all such behavior should be allowed and none of the rankings mean anything at all.

[Vangor]

@efh313 i agree 100%

[Ashasekayi]

@Vangor

@Ashasekayi can bring the smores fixins

I don’t like smores. Can I bring ?

[Vangor]

Definitely and hot dogs and beer and candy and cake and beer and soda and bottles of water for those who dont drink and beer and anything else you would like to have on hand so that everyone is included😎

P.S. did i mention beer?

[Dorgath]

@beanie42

So hopefully those who choose to remain silent out of fear and are reading this realize that it is still worth posting.

Nope.

I’m not silent out of fear of this particular issue of guilds agreeing/colluding/however you want to put a name on it in GW. But the mere example of the last 80 posts between yonizaf and ogunther (80 posts from when I last read the thread, not 80 posts solely between the two) shows me that it’s not worth disagreeing. What I saw was yonizaf making the simple statement of people being afraid to post and ogunther rebutting/disagreeing with that statement (which is fine) and between the back and forth of trying explain/clarify, ogunther becoming increasingly aggressive to the point of name-calling (which is not fine, to me). The irony (to me) of that issue, on disagreeing and how it actually provided the example itself in the actual “discussion”, just reinforced to me that there isn’t value in disagreeing, at least with certain people.

Other voices in the thread have been calm and rationale, as a whole.

And to be clear, it’s ogunther’s responses to yonizaf in this thread in those last 80 or so posts. I am not basing my post on any other posts he made in any other thread on these forums or earlier in this thread.

[efh313]

@htismaqe

Nobody in their right mind could think that colluding with another guild to rig GW results is good for the game as a whole.

efh313 looks at the rabbit hole… turns to walk away… but instead runs full speed back and dives in

As perhaps the only person in this long convoluted thread who admitted that an Alliance does not feel wrong to me, allow me to point this out.

Do you know the game RISK?
It is specifically a game about war. Players regularly make alliances to eradicate other players on the board.

But, in RISK there can only be ONE victor, how can that be in the spirit of the game?
Because, sometimes it feels good to see the Tyrant/Titan/Champion/#1 Guild fall to the underdog, the lesser team, the weaker individuals that join forces to succeed. And in the end, yes, those alliances must break to determine a sole victor, just like any Alliance in GW would still result in one alliance Team surpassing the other on the leaderboard, but there was a different victory won that had nothing to do with rewards.

Do I believe that Alliance should be allowed in GW?
Absolutely!

Do I understand why people don’t like them?
Absolutely!

Did the forum make its feelings known?
Absolutely!

Do I respect this forum enough to respect their wishes?
Absolutely!

Am I done with this topic?
God I hope so…