not true! People that use their own DB do so because they want to get 8 victories as soon as possible not for fear they may face one…if you are in an active guild you want to complete things as fast as possible…maybe the way to fix this issue is to have the def not be able to use anything but runic blade and have the offense be able to pick their weapon…Will that shut people up? no! Why? Because people were complaining about that before DB came out! I’m convinced some just need to put the game down because its too difficult for them…if they lose 1 battle the game must be broke so Nerf everything in sight…maybe there should be a participation trophy for those people
Hey @Rojo1 I have not responded to you with any hostility or vitriol, I would appreciate the same in your responses.
That aside, if you will recall my earliest comments I agree that DB SHOULD be used on offense but suggest the limiting of it on defense. I am one of those top guild end gamers that will use DB to farm quickly in Arena instead of PvP… assuming I can craft my damn Pharos to start farming!!
Forgot to add: Perhaps the word “fear” was not the best choice but when as you say Time is of the essence and I’m trying to get 8 victories. If DB becomes the only way to counter a DB, despite the speed, then there is an element of strategy that gets lost. As it currently stands GoW can not afford to lose any more elements of strategy.
And I think that’s what is really behind the most vocal complaints by endgamers. One more occasion of RNG, dice roll style mechanics overriding good intelligent strategy mechanics. But that is admittedly speculation on my part, I speak only for me. 
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Do you really need trophies? I’m not judging, but for whatever reasons you or guild might have i can imagine it will eventually lead to more boredom as you repeat your “work” over and over again…
Arena could see some reworks…
… and i’ve been thinking about adding some other “layers” where you could obtain an extra troop like an Epic to select after 8 victories, maybe unlock one or more traits on your troops after 10 victories, recover a loss after 15 victories… In this sense Arena would become something entirely new, forget about buying troops at the end of it and think about a challenge with 50 battles with your teams growing up in numbers and strenght after each point.
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You really grasping at straws if you think i’m being hostile…I guess it’s your interpretation but that doesn’t make it true…The fact I’m saying people complain too much is a truth…lots of things to complain about and this one is not one of them…maybe they should make maps where you can do 10 at a time and only get 5x resources so people can get rid of some of them would be something I could get behind…make maps great again.
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I agree trophies do nothing for you but some guilds require them…gems are important but little else.
No one is arguing for anyone with Dawnbringer to not be able to use it on offense.
No one is arguing that people who have been playing for years and had 1.3 million spare souls laying around don’t deserve to be able to use their investment.
All people are asking for is for it to be removed from appearing on AI-controlled defense teams.
This hurts NOBODY and helps EVERYBODY.
Even if it is removed from defense, people with Dawnbringer will still be able to clear Arenas 3x faster (or more) than people who don’t have it. THAT is their “perk” for having the weapon.
Yes, because if you don’t have your own Dawnbringer to counter with, you should totally have to run more arenas at significantly more time investment than people who have it, just because one player doesn’t want to hear you voice your opinion.
I’m convinced that some people need to remember what it was like to not have everything in the game and be kinder to those who don’t have all the pretty toys they do.
I don’t think anyone said this. No one is complaining about losing “one battle”. The complaint is that Dawnbringer is massively out of scale compared to the troops available to the player, and because there is no scouting available while you’re choosing your team, you can’t even attempt to build a team to counter it (i.e. maybe skipping Yellow troops to lessen the damage, etc.). Please stop exaggerating.
I agree with this. I compared my Arena run times with another player who uses Dawnbringer (I don’t have one) and their runs are roughly 3x faster than mine, assuming we both win 8/8. If a player is looking to maximize trophies, this is a good way to do it.
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I actually agree with your post up to this point, and one can see from my own response that that is true, but here is where I felt you went vitriolic. Hostile was perhaps too much of a personal “attack” connotation. That was not my intent.
Sorry if I misrepresented myself.
Oh, and I have been pushing for a TH feature like that for a loooong time too!!!
To be honest I used it last week when we had our push week and even won a one hour trophy race in my guild with it.
Dawnbringer makes arena better than PVP for guilds who want to grind trophies.
I didn’t use it before that push week and I haven’t used it since because I am not interested in grinding. I want to have fun.
@Lyya is perfectly right. I see arena as a challenge that keeps the game interesting. Because it is supposed to put everyone on an equal foot and to grant variety.
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I destroyed a dawnbringer earlier with one cast of a jackelope. It was fully charged and that freaky rabbit thing one shotted it.
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Yeah I want to be clear:
- On offense I don’t give a flip about Dawnbringer. People with it are going to have an easier time in arena, but I’m going to use the heck out of it when I get it so I don’t care. I want Dawnbringer on offense.
- On defense Dawnbringer seems to go against the “levels are equalized” nature of Arena. I don’t think it should be eligible for defense teams.
Arena’s where I go when I get tired of facing the same teams over and over in PvP. Everyone in GW/PvP has been complaining about the lack of diversity in the meta.
So why’s it cool when I come to Arena and face Dawnbringer 3 matches in a row?
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It’s just reeeaally annoying, as a Level 200+ Player facing AI Defense Level 1000+ with Dawnbringer…
Since there are approximately 10% of the battles where this is the case…
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if you meet Dawnbringer 10% of times you are very lucky. The stats are a lot worse.
Arena is trash now with Dawnbringer allowed. I refuse to play arena till its removed. The next thing the devs need to do is rework arena and treasure hunt. That’s now two useless features in the game for me. If you own it and wanna use it that’s up to you,I blame the devs for allowing it arena in the first place. If I can’t use a mythic troop you shouldn’t be allowed a mythic weapon. In all honesty the hero should only be allowed to use and epic weapon or below in arena.
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The notion that arena should only allow weapons of epic rarity or lower is preposterous. Most weapons - including ALL class and mastery weapons - are legendary. Epic and lower weapons are nearly all just “deal X damage” or “deal X damage + remove all [color] gems to boost”. Legendary is where weapons get interesting with status effects, gem creation, ally buffs, and so on. If Dawnbringer and Runic Blade are the only problem weapons in Arena, why remove all of the interesting and rarely-used weapons in the legendary category?
Just remove Dawnbringer from the defense pool. How hard can it be? I don’t recall there ever being a complaint about the arena until it arrived.
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That is because mostly only the top players can make the damn weapon and are using it to farm even more trophies.
It simply needs to removed from Def in the arena. No one gives a poo if they use it for atk.
If it is not removed soon i will quit this game. They nerf kraken but ignore the complaints regarding Dawnbringer.
I am convinced this weapkn nas been added to slow new players down.
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From what it looks like they don’t care about arena and don’t want to spend any time or effort on it. If they cared even a little bit about arena Dawnbringer would have been tested on defense and they would have noticed that it is too OP on defense and they would have done someone about it before it was released and this would never have been a problem.
The fact that Sirrian said a month ago DB might be removed from defense and there has been a lot of complaints since with the devs saying nothing makes me think he just said it to get people to stop complaining about it until either arena dies and people forget about this problem or it is reworked.
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Eliminating a weapon from the Arena defense pool will absolutely require a change to the code. It may not be possible to do between updates. If 3.2.5 rolls around and Dawnbringer hasn’t been pulled from Arena opponents, it’s time to break out the torches and pitchforks.
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No code change, it’s all server side data. A single database command could replace dawnbringer with heroes sword.
Well, then. Time to start looking for rags and kerosene.
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