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Daily Deals Data-Gathering Post Patch 5.7

Wed. Oct 13

All Kingdom track offers today at least. Got my first pet offer since the patch.

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Nope. The first part is actually really easy to de-confirm. Both colored deed and writs offers (in the middle slot) so far have happened on accounts that have no open “upgrade to kingdom level” tasks. They have all their kingdoms at least power 4 or 5, but way below 20, which is after the “upgrade to 10 task” but way way before the level to 13 task. Also none of these ever received a non-kingdom track offer in slot 2 before the patch (so several hundred chances per account for an off-track offer to appear middle slot and it never did) so these are not random offers coincidentally leaking in as was apparently rarely happening prepatch. Both those are enough to say that “new” deeds offers are not targeted at these specific tasks and there is a very high likelihood they are not that they aren’t targeted at anything at all, and at the very least if they are targeted at something it is something that has nothing to do with kingdom power tasks. I also got a middle slot medals offer long before anything is blocked by needing medals (highest kingdom power 20) with only one kingdom having an open “level to 13” task. I’ve left that uncompleted to see how long it is before I receive a “kingdom helper” task.

When I saw the first few tasks on my main, having only recently hit power 20, at first I thought yeah, maybe the triggers they were supposed to have changed were just serving up offers from too broad a pool, but all evidence so far seems to support that you just get a random “”“desirable”"" offer in the middle slot instead of a targeted kingdom track offer. But getting these offers at all on accounts that are mostly power 4 or 5 shoots down this theory really quickly, let alone when its multiple times in the same week.

It could still be related to how many kingdoms out of your total don’t currently have offer eligible kingdom power tasks, because p4 > 5 is easily blocked by not completing traits and p5 > 6 is easily blocked by not completing challenges, neither which generate any offer, and a number of kingdom on the “lowest” account are blocked like this. So I could, technically, cull every eligible kingdom track offer from the pool on the p4/5 account. I think I’ll start with all the ingot offers except one and leave 4-5 possible kingdoms for troop offers open and check from there. I culled 6 more weapon tasks, one troop task, and two more weapon tasks that leveled the kingdom into troop tasks and culled those too, removing 9 kingdoms from any eligible offers and leaving 1 weapon and 5 troop tasks incomplete (went from 15 offer eligible kingdoms to 6). Will see if that makes any difference. Previous evidence suggests some kind of internal checking order even before this patch, so right now I’m mostly interested in how many of them are not kingdom track offers, secondarily if I receive ingot offers multiple times in a row.

The best I’m hoping for at this point is that the system is malfunctioning and it is only supposed to prioritize “medals or deeds” in the middle slot when you are done or almost done with the kingdom track, because at least then theres a chance of it being fixed. However, since people are still getting “kingdom helper” off deed-blocked kingdoms and troop offers off medal-blocked kingdoms, rather than removing or fixing these specific triggers, it seems like this was the intended “fix” by just making it so they’d show up less by giving random medals or deeds even if it meant literally everyone else was subject to this same replacement. And since people are showing these errant offers streaking in some cases (which would be a 1 in 1156 occurrence for 2 in a row if all kingdoms are just checked first and equally weighted, 1 in 39k for three times in a row,), I’m not optimistic there, either.

Daily Deals on Monday, October 13th

Arena Offers from the same day

Thur, Oct 14

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So, all of these are technically kingdom track offers. But… something is off here. For those of you paying attention, raising kingdom from Power 4 to Power 5 kingdom has no tasks that can be overcome with more copies of troops. This is also something I don’t recall seeing any offers connected to seen prepatch. It could have escaped my notice since I don’t generally buy more copies of troops on these accounts, but seeing troop offers for raising a kingdom to power 5 immediately felt “wrong” here.

Power 4 > 5 Whitehelm, for example:

On second review, the reason for me receiving these offers could be that I have none of them, which would give another avenue of troops to trait. Since these accounts were dormant for a few months they are missing troops that were in glory packs which basically never happened while I was paying attention to them at all.

Sure enough, these are the only troops missing in those kingdoms that would be low enough rarity/non delve to be in the pool.

So that appears to be working properly. However…

The fact that the system is (and apparently always has been, since this is unlikely to have been changed in the patch) “smart” enough to offer you copies of troops you don’t have any of as an alternate avenue to unlock traits on when you are stuck on traits task just makes the whole getting offered random ingots when you need weapons all the worse. Half of the system is “intelligent” enough to give offers that at least can help and seems like there was some care and effort in designing it, which makes the other half all the more awkward.

Strictly speaking that just confirms you will get those offers without having the open tasks, it doesn’t de-confirm you will get those offers due to having the open task. Sorry, flashback to an old lecture where that distinction got hammered in pretty prominently. :sweat_smile:

The patch notes contain an interesting distinction:

  • We have added extra Daily Deals for Common, Rare, and Ultra-Rare Medals for people who have been finding the “Kingdom Track” of Daily Deals was not providing what they needed.
  • We have added extra Daily Deals for Writs, Colored Deeds, and Imperial Deeds.

Extra medal deals for the kingdom track, extra deed deals in general. I suspect you are right, there’s now a fixed chance to receive those generic offers in the kingdom track that supersedes the targeted offers. I’m not entirely convinced this was really the intended result, considering how the kingdom track was communicated. However, I’m quite sure it will officially be treated as working entirely as intended for all practical purposes.

No kingdom specific offer today. Deeds are a bit pricey.

Appreciative of the more eloquent players posting here that are looking into this so deeply.

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12 October.




13 October




14 October




Sorry for skipping some days but I was very busy(Monday I completely forgot to take screenshots).

Just some notes about my kingdom progression: I’ve three kingodm not at max power, two blocked by faction/cosmetic pets(Mist of Scales and Shentang) and one(Pridelands) by traits; I’ve yet to complete five classes but only one, the Warlord, have it’s task open(as is evident by the screens) and I’ve five kingdoms(Adana, Urskaya, Glacial Peaks, Kethar and Stormheim) at power 20 but level 10.

I hope this will help.

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My Daily Deals on Thursday, October 14th

Maximominus’s Daily Deals from the same day

My Arena Offers from the same day

15 October




I don’t remember to have ever see the same offer twice in the same day, or at least not from Arena :thinking:. Anyway, I’ve noticed that this is the fourth day of class exp offers but I can’t say if this is due RNG streakines for Arena or the update(I’m not complaing, btw, anything that can cut the class grind is very welcomed :sweat_smile:).

Daily Deals on Friday, October 15th

Maximominus’s Daily Deals from the same day

Arena Offers from the same day

hey guys, maybe i missed it, but i can’t see on any picture that one of you ever got verse offer on daily deals in left or middle slot, only from VIP or as arena offer.
can someone please post a picture to give me hope (me, that is f2p and not doing arena, lol)

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many thanks Qoob, now i have hope

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Daily Deals Friday October 15

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Acct 4: (I’ve now culled Pridelands troops from the offer pool, leaving 4 kingdoms that need troop levels and 1 that “needs” weapon upgrades)

It is pretty obvious what the event key offer is generating off because it says it right on the label. I’m leaving Whitehelm like that for now out of morbid curiosity of how often this will still generate. I still need one troop in this kingdom upgraded.

Saturday, October 16

Another day with 100% kingdom track offers.
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Acct 3: (troop offered is because it was completely missing, more confirmation for this being an offer for “trait x troops” offers troops you don’t have and that actually works “smartly”)

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