I had an answer a hour before your question, look couple messages up)
It’s 10000xp needed to rise a prestige from 40 to 50 - it’s similar to rise a level from 15 to 20. In new system it will cost you 6 books and a 4 deeds (converted to a crystals ofc). And look how many books you need now)
That’s pretty obvious, the question is how much xp exactly? I guess it’s just another good reason to hold off upgrading kingdoms before the update, inquisitive souls will want to know though (and possibly end up asking me).
That’s likely due to me spending more than an hour on those questions. 
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Any way I do the math here, people who focused on maxing kingdoms are getting ripped off.
You get the same conversion for maxing a kingdom (20 level / 30 power) as you do for 75% and 66% of the effort (15 level / 21 power).
I’ve maxed 26 kingdoms. I could have easily spread out the books and deeds to raise all of my kingdoms to those lower thresholds.
There should have been an extra bonus for maxing kingdoms. Players like me have shown long term (and probably financial) commitment to the game. I get that the game is trying to cater to new players but it should not be at the expense of older players.
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Possibly unpopular opinion here. You’ll still have those kingdoms at the same progression, granting the same bonuses. It’s now possibly easier to reach that level of progression, but that’s the very nature of service games. Things that initially took much effort get easier over time, just look at elite levels for troops, E12 farmers also got “ripped off” back when bronze/silver/gold orbs were introduced. I’m personally fine with that, even though I also have a pretty large number of kingdoms maxed out.
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@Jeto - In regards to:
Forge Scrolls will now be crafted with Souls, Mythic Ingots, Cursed Runes and Celestial Traitstones
Will the crafting formula remain the same for # of Souls, Runes & Celestials ?
How many Mythic Ingots will be needed to craft a Forge Scroll ?
Thanks !
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Oh yeah I’m aware of that but my logic is that there will be global population limits now too, so you cant even just focus on one kingdom itself anymore to get back the bonuses quickly. Based on the example in the main post, kingdom level 14 + power level 6 only came out at new kingdom prestige level of 15. Nowhere near the new 5% or 10% mythstone bonus levels of lvl29/39.
Around half my kingdoms are only power level 5. So based on this, most of my kingdoms will come out around prestige level 15. Again, nowhere near prestige 29/39. I could increase my power lvls of course, but my global limit is going to kick in much earlier because I havent upgraded them. So that means overall, I wont be able to upgrade any kingdoms up to the mythstone bonus level. Therefore that adds another massive undertaking just to get back up the same benefit that I previously grinded out to reach. Does that make sense? haha
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From what i can work out a fully maxed out kingdom will now be at lvl 45 prestige and i wont be spend any books pre update… Not if my math holds up… but it really does depend on what level and power your kindoms are at. I think if your lower levels spending could be worth it but without doing the math i think gains are slim.
Currently maxed kingdom = Prestige 50 (42.5k Kingdom XP)
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Napkin and scibe took me to 37.5k ill take your word nerd
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Tricky. All in all, the bonus for prestige level 15 seems to be higher than the combined bonus for upgrade level 14 plus power level 6. Better tribute chance, better tribute multiplier, higher mastery. However, the mythstone bonus is now very much further down the road, currently it requires upgrade level 16 only. I wonder if this is intentional or just an oversight, to be remotely on par it would have to move down at least 10 prestige levels, probably more.
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I don’t understand. The options are upgrading before the update or after. If we upgrade before, we get less resources overall after the update, which means we’ll reach a lower prestige level than if we wait and upgrade after the update. Right?
Put it this way. I have 4 books. If I upgrade a kingdom now, vs if I wait and upgrade it after the update, I’ll be able to get to different prestige levels. How does that make sense?
Great. But that doesn’t resolve the issue that if they didn’t upgrade, kept the resources, waited for the update, then spent those same resources (now as crystals), they’d get their kingdoms to higher levels.
See, this seems to be the argument. If we upgrade before 9.2, we don’t have to worry about population. But if we’re upgrading kingdoms that aren’t way above the others, that won’t be a factor. Will it?
Like I have several kingdoms maxed at 30/20. So, if I’m choosing whether to upgrade a kingdom from 15 to 16 now, before 9.2, then population won’t affect that kingdom, right? It’s below the average of my kingdoms, so it will be the one I’ll NEED to upgrade first (or one of the first) in order to raise my population and unlock the others. So, why aren’t those resources equal?
I’m sorry. I know this is the dev answer, not your opinion, but this feels like a terrible answer.
I read this as “yes, you get screwed over and get less currency, but you got to avoid our new railroading system, so you deserve less currency”. And why should we get less stuff, just because we’re avoiding the new dev trap? Especially when it wasn’t our choice. We didn’t try to avoid the population system, we’re just finding out about it. Sure, we’re now trying to figure out what we should be doing so we’re not screwed over, but lots of us already spent resources.
Basically, the questions that matter are these:
Why should players get less resources for leveling up a kingdom, when that might not have been affected by the new population system anyway?
Are players going to be better off if they hoard resources until 9.2 or if they spend them on the lowest kingdoms?
And thanks for the huge amount of info in the original post and for answering questions. I know we’re asking a lot and some of this stuff will be answered when the update arrives. But I need to advise my whole guild on what to do until then, so I want to give them info that won’t screw them over. So, anything you can tell us to avoid that is much appreciated.
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I’m not a mathy person, but here is some food for thought:
The total population requirements to upgrade a kingdom would effectively block us from levelling up a currently max kingdom like Darkstone (converts to Prestige level 50) if for example the rest of the kingdoms were at Prestige level 40 (Kingdom level 18/Power level 24).
Additionally, for any player who hasn’t yet levelled all their kingdoms to level 10 with gold - they need to do this ASAP before the update or else it will be a lot harder to level because of the tasks.
The tasks have 3 columns and each column needs to be done in order. Personally, I can’t get past Upgrade 2 Kingdom Troops to Shiny Level 2 - so that column is instantly blocked for me for Mydnight (as soon as I go into the new update) and therefore all my other kingdoms.
It leaves me with only the first two columns to work with and I’m very quickly blocked there as well with weapons. It will be much harder for new players.
The good thing about this update is knowing that I will get max tribute once all kingdoms are at level 50. A good motivator to level them up equally. This gives me more gems for the Guild Events which are now of higher importance than before.
Going for the skill bonus every 10 levels (for mid to end game players) not as rewarding for me compared to Astral Spire, but I’ll get there eventually thanks to the weekly kingdom XP in the Guild Shop Tier VI and completing the Guild Events. This gives me 1 kingdom level per week.
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You don’t have to get them. They are in the task track which grants Kingdom XP, but it is not a blocker to advancing in prestige levels the way that the current tasks are.
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This is the way I’m reading it too. The ‘tell’ if you will was the comment about keeping all kingdoms in the same band. That’s what seems to be the driving factor for the math here.
The time before the update will be the last time (theoretically) to do things in an “unbalanced” manner without consequence.
So the options are to spend pre-update to avoid any population cap (and looking at you Mydnight) OR wait until post-conversion and have more total upgrade currency with potentially less of a say in where that currency goes due to the population limits.
Seems like the ones most dedicated to min/maxing are the ones getting squeezed the hardest and will 100% be the most vocal once this drops. I get it. The min/maxers are also the ones most susceptible to balance changes in literally any live service game as well. It comes with being on the (relative) bleeding edge.
I think for me, knowing the driving factor behind this update is balance, I’m going to try to get ahead of that and balance things as best I can today with the hope that I can put off the bite of the population gate a bit longer.
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This definitely sounded like it could be a neat concept last week.
But after reading the execution, how leveling works, how the conversions work, etc, this might actually be much worse than even the most negatively paranoid speculations I read since parts of it were first spoiled. Well done, I’m impressed the devs’ consistency in poor updates.
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How so? From my understanding the vast majority of people will have increased bonuses the moment the update drops, the ability to take stats, tribute chances and amounts, mana masteries, etc. higher than ever, plus new perks such as shiny dust bonuses. I’m curious why you feel this is even worse than the lowest expectations.
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Will there be any achievements going in with this update? New achievements are the only thing keeping me, and likely quite a few other people, playing. Even if you can’t provide the detail of the achievements, a yes/no would be great! Thanks for all you do.
We’re told that Books of Deeds in Campaign rewards will be replaced with Rainbow Crystals. Will that be on a 1:1 basis?
Next week, Elite pass owners will get 2 Red books from campaign rewards. Is it better to collect these before the update?
If the replacement is 1:1, then I’d say yes. 2 red books convert to 32 red crystals worth 3200 xp for red kingdoms.
2 rainbow crystals would be worth 1200 xp for any kingdom.
So the question remains, is the book to rainbow crystal replacement 1:1?
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Created a maths corner here, to discuss the update specifics separately: 9.2 Maths Corner - Community Content - Gems of War | Forums
Just want to highlight this, and ask for anyone else good at this stuff to check my maths isn’t wonky, but I think this is right:
EDIT: Since upgrading a kingdom level can increase a kingdom’s power level, the exact value judgement will depend on your personal progress. Each additional power level gives extra xp after 9.2 but that’s already being accounted for elsewhere. I don’t know whether you want to factor that in personally, when making the choice to upgrade or not.
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