“too Hard” and “too time intensive” are not the same complaint.
Nothing about the current pvp is hard. What it is, is a rather significant time sink. If the goal is maximum engagement with the mode (likely) it has to be balanced so it’s worth doing for most folks. Of course, it also has to be balanced for those people who do nothing else but play GoW 24/7.
In order to get maximum engagement. Doing the bare minimum of pvp and ignoring the rest, has to be a significantly less rewarding plan than doing, say, 25 times the bare minimum. Doing next to nothing also has to be overwhelmingly less rewarding than grinding pvp for hours a day. Right now that reward curve is out of whack. It has absolutely nothing to do with difficulty.
I hear ya. It all depends on what a player wants to get out of it. If they want “everything” it should require a significant time sink and/or real money spend. When it comes to “hardcore PvP” rewards (Looking at you Vanguard III & Great General ) there’s not much of a gap between upper-middle casual & completionist.
TLDR; don’t fret over some IG souls (that don’t even level her up at a certain point) and 5 measly Gold Marks per day. Play your game. Don’t let the game play you. (Looking at me )
Thank goodness I am now playing other games and realized how terribly wrong this kind of reasoning is. I am VIP 20 so paid my dues, but for a fraction of that amount you can play an amazing game with no in-app purchases, one that requires actual skill and not mindless endless clicking. Honestly now that I see what other games offer their players I feel sick thinking how much money people spend here…it is a pure money grab. There is a good reason why some games have 1 million active players and this one has 5000. You should not have to spend money all the time to get good troops, or grind yourself to death 24 hrs x 7 just to get a few things. And do not deny it, I know there are players forking out money for books.
By “hardcore” what you mean is watching TV while mindlessly clicking the same buttons over and over…and then paying to be able to do more of it.
Jk I love y’all Krakens - even the ones that have “no regerts” cuz you’re the reason we still have servers! I’m about to be VIP 8 and while I’ll prolly never catch up to ya I got mad respect!!! Although I don’t consider any spend in this game “paying dues” as it’s just purchasing something for entertainment purposes only.
I started playing this as a mobile game on a phone…did not have a lot of options back then, now I have a tablet with a Steam Link…can play better games. I do not play on PC as I work on a PC, so get tired of it. GOW used to be a good mobile option, but has sunk down to the same levels as other mobile games, especially with increasing RNG loot box troops.
Like I said I appreciate you - you came before us and spent on a game “worth spending on” and I’m sorry you feel it’s no longer worth the spend. You (and all OGs) deserve to have the rewards of VIP20 and beyond for paving the way. I have had more opportunities to spend on this game in the 18 months I’ve been playing but I’m still happy with the choices I make. I totally wish there were more/better ways to spend in-game res (especially “dead ones”) but since this convo has totally derailed the OP of (positive) PvP feedback I’ll end with one (kinda):
New PvP is “meh” - I wish it was better, it could’ve been worse.
@Kafka@Bramble
i started this thread for your attention. please take time to have a look through at the suggestions. all the replies have appeared to have been respectful too
It is completely legitimate to compare them in terms of things like how much fun you are having and how much that fun costs etc. Where it gets tricky, is people don’t all share the same idea of what is fun, or even the same comfort levels on cost. But we all (unless we are masochists haha or perhaps getting paid to play) play games to have fun (enjoyment.) And many of us try to, or have to, keep to an entertainment budget. And we all have only 24 hours in a day to manage responsibilities, sleep and fun.
Games are like any other hobby. We have to decide if we have the time and/or money and whether we find it fun. A live service game costs money to run. It is in the best interest of those of us who enjoy GoW to advocate for changes that make it / keep it enjoyable, affordable and manageable (in terms of time) for the largest amount of people, possible.
i did pvp each day. finished everything daily/weekly + far above and have about 260k VP. i hope the devs know how unrealstic they are with ranks reuqirements…also a pvp season pass that just stops at a certain lvl stupid
I’d like to see improved matching. I’ve stopped playing PvP (which I actually enjoyed) recently because ever since I turned level 1000, every opponent I’ve been offered has had at least 10000 more item level than me. Only very rarely do I find one that I can actually compete with, and I’m through wasting gems finding them. That’s what stopped me playing PvP and, unless matching is improved, I won’t be playing it again.
I thought about making a new topic going into expanded details about what I think about these Immortals troops, but decided against it.
Here’s the short version:
The moment I get one decent Immortal in each of the outer regions of PvP, I’m as good as done. You don’t even need Immortals in the 3 color areas or Central Spire. Long term, I don’t see these Paid Battle Passes working as a draw.
The only way I’d consider getting extra Immortals after that is if all active players can reach level 30 versions in a reasonable amount of time (target: 1 year) and the paid battle pass players can easily reach them in that season.
Otherwise, all of these unfinished ones are interchangeable and at that point… who cares? I’ll just use the best one I have. At least if I have a reasonable route to their level 30 versions, I’d play it out so I can mess with a new toy for the season before moving onto the next one featured in the next Battle Pass.
Our next Immortal troop has a 3rd trait that 2 Epic Troops already have. Most of us won’t ever see level 30 on Immortals, so they’re selling us an Immortal with an Epic Trait seen on more easier to obtain troops that people can already play with.
How exciting.
Here’s another joke:
Immortal Weapons
Hahaha. You serious?
20 mana. These weapons must be amazing!
Create 4 Blue Dragon Gems
… 20 mana, all 6 colors right?
No… 20 mana of 1 specific color.
A good majority of these Immortal Weapons would be really bad even if they were all 6 colors.
I never looked that deeply into these Immortal Weapons…
but yeah… wow.
If I understand it correctly, you’d actually never be able to use Terra’s Jewel in Southwild for its designed 10th Temper because the possible Weekly Region Restrictions are Red, Purple, Green, Yellow and … the weapon is Blue?
someone ask the dev team to make these Immortal weapons make sense, please…
So far, my biggest issue is the VP goal. Getting to Praefect was the worst part of the season. It’s a shame I don’t have very long to appreciate getting there.
Plus, getting to Praefect takes longer for high-level players. For many players that bothered, their experience was much worse than mine. I’ve progressively seen my number of defense losses increase with every level-up.
) there’s not much of a gap between upper-middle casual & completionist.
