Enough, @efh313; you know you’re talking BS, devil’s advocate or not. That is not how GW was supposed to work, there was never supposed to be any collaboration between guilds and you know it. I can understand “We did it because we could and it’s not illegal” even if I don’t agree with it; I can respect such a decision even if I don’t like it. This other crap you’re spewing just cheapens yourselves by making such crappy excuses. You insult us and you insult yourself. You’re better than that.
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No you sent a message to someone and then would have spent a minute killing 1 weak troop if the offer was accepted where as other guilds have spent hours trying to perfect a team and then spent the time on the battle. Are you really saying you deserve those rewards more?
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As I said, I was merely playing devil’s advocate. I actually fought some hard f-ing battles against Black Dragon. As for team planning, MM spent months doing just that, which is why we did so well in Bracket 3 and jumped to bracket 1.
The real challenge in Bracket 1 was fighting guild member after guild member who could field 2 Famine, which they got from their days before the Resource nerf, so did they GAME the system back then… YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!
And @ogunther if you don’t think that there is collusion amongst higher guilds you’re kidding yourself. And as I pointed out, we will never know. As for you feeling insulted, I apologize but truly don’t understand why you feel insulted. 
The only other “excuse” I offered is the explanation of an Alliance which is a tactical advantage yes, but not cheating in any way. Now if the devs are anti- alliances then that is a whole other topic. 
See the post right before yours.
[quote=“EyeOfMars, post:137, topic:23674, full:true”]the difference of gems is “worth” 40$ or 80$ in the shop.
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Just want to reiterate that the offer was refused and no-one put out a 1 troop defence team.
EDIT: well… No-one in Mean Machine anyway 
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It’s not a WAR…it’s a game.
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Touche!
I edited my post.
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And I actually fought some hard f-ing battles against guilds in bracket 2 as well
I was fighting that as well.
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Ok, I was perturbed before but now you’re pissing me off.
If you want to keep up this charade, fine but expect no quarter from me or Hoguns. At least @DonBoba had the courage to admit what he’d done and then apologize once he realized how upset it made everyone. What you’re doing is disgusting and I’m shocked that you are so cavalier. I expect that MM will survive Don’s poor decsion just fine because he (and excuse my sexist expression) manned-up but if you keep up this farce, I’m not sure MM will survive that. I definitely won’t associate with your guild anymore if yours is the attitude representative of your members.
“Oh but others are doing it, too!” Who the hell cares. That’s the defense of a child. Are you a child, @efh313? No, you are not. So stop acting like one. MM screwed up, if you’re going to say anything then take a page from your Guild Leader and acknowledge your mistake and take your lumps and move on.
That’s all I’ll say on the matter.
Edit: I realized I was jumping to conclusions and blaming @DonBoba and MM for something I wasn’t certain of; that’s not something I’m cool with others doing and so apologize for doing it myself.
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But that amount of gems is generated on a daily basis for people not deserving of it, by people botting, accountsharing, or whatever other means be it people just so fed up with their real lives that they spend every waking moment of their lives in a game like this, 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, for months, while their guildmates profit from it.
Why is this Gw thing now all so dire?
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They aren’t robbing other guilds of it.
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They are robbing other people in the leaderboard of it.
In boxing they call it taking a nose dive. In basketball or football, point shaving. In wrestling, throwing in the towel. In horse racing, pulling up. In essence, it means holding back so someone else wins. That’s not an alliance, and it’s not strategic. It’s flat out gaming the system.
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Arguably it remains to be seen if the collusion issue would actually rob people of anything.
I went 5/0 on every day so far, i know many other players did too. I could not have increased my score by my opponents being one troop defenses (other than on green day, where i lost troops, green day i hate you!). One troop defenses would sure make it more safe, but not increase the maximum point gain. So it remains to be shown if such a practice would actually have any bearing on actual ladder placings.
Also there was a leaderboard long before GW, the trophy guild leaderboard and long established top guilds have facilitated shady methods to keep their place on that ladder, either by actively practicing those methods or condoning other in their guilds to do so.
Those two things aren’t the same; they are only tangentially connected. Trying to excuse one by citing the other doesn’t hold any water.
I am also sorry to hear that this happened, but I know you’re not a bad person Don. Guild Wars was a flawed system before it was ever implemented. Everyone knew that. At the end of the day though this is a game, and it’s sad that people need troops and rewards so badly that they feel this was the way to get it. It happens in plenty of games, when it is ALLOWED to happen.
Hopefully the crafting system will allow people to actually get what they need and want in a real way. People can only chase the carrot for so long. If you want them to continue to chase, close the loopholes. Give these people that want something truly competitive, something truly worth working for, and something that can’t be cheated. OR go the other route and stop making everything so darned exclusive. Decide if this is a hardcore game or a casual game like it used to be. As a player it feels like we’re being pulled in multiple different directions. Have different paths for different types of players. Anything.
Anytime a game that has been around for awhile changes something, you will get push back. Some of the long-time players will leave because of progress, but all games must progress. It is up to the Devs to make sure that progress is truly for the betterment of the game. Sometimes you have to stick with them to see that, the finished product, and sometimes that end vision is a lot different than the beginning.
So here’s to that future Devs. 
Have faith that everything will end up better than it started.
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Damn it, @HKdirewolf; where have you been. We all miss you (well the important people, anyway )
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Oh i am not excusing anything. Personally i do not condone any of these practices and if i were made aware of anyone in my guild doing it i would either see them leave, or i would.
I just try to wrap my head around why people that profited from shady practices for months in the past be it by actively using these practices or putting on blinders while others in their guilds raked in the rewards for all of them, are now so immensly outraged by another shady practice in another game mode.
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Even as we topped the second bracket, every single day we had at least 3 people not go 5-0. So at minimum, an alliance would have added about 9k points for a day, and that’s not including troops lost, etc.
These numbers aren’t trivial. Small amounts can be the difference between the top few brackets for quite a few guilds. And with how it’s all set up, a team could miss out on a chance to hang out in the top bracket for a few weeks before being bumped back down again due to these circumstances. A difference of hundreds of gems for each member.
You can try to argue the validity of these tactics. You can try to argue the ethics behind such decisions. But you cannot try to deny the impact and effect these tactics have on the guilds around them.
If everyone in the top 10 colluded, they could arguably stay there forever. It would no longer be a war. It would be an empire.
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