Changes to PVP teams

[Psithe]

If firebomb teams are the issue, they should just reward defense wins more and people would make better teams.

[awryan]

Better than this?

Is there such a thing?
Basically all they have to do is give you one gem per defense win. And people will actually try to have Defenses that can win.
But they also need to stop casual PvP wins from showing as Ranked PvP wins.
(I have no idea if 3 players in Ranked PvP actually lost to my defense. Or if 3 players in casual PvP beat it. And that’s an issue.)

[Dust_Angel]

@awryan

Basically all they have to do is give you one gem per defense win. And people will actually try to have Defenses that can win.

And end up all using the same meta-def? Wouldn’t it get us back to where we started complaining about every team being the exact copy of another?
Let’s take me, for example. Currently I change my defence team every Monday trying to combine something from weekly troop type/kingdom pool. If there happens to be more synergy, it works better, otherwise…well, it’s just a defence team. But what incentive would I have to do this, if we were awarded gems for defence wins? Just needed to stick with the most annoying team at the time then, wouldn’t I?

[awryan]

@Cyrup

The PVP changes aren’t targeting anything specific. It’s not intended to remove Firebombs or Divine teams specifically, rather to help keep a variety of things presented to players even when a meta forms, so you will still be able to see these teams in PVP.

@Dust_Angel, meta defenses aren’t supposed to be feared anymore.

@Dust_Angel

And end up all using the same meta-def? Wouldn’t it get us back to where we started complaining about every team being the exact copy of another?

So since the change this shouldn’t any longer be a concern.

[Jainus]

As it’s been a while, I thought I’d re-link this idea of mine…

Idea: vary Events by player / incentivise defences

So here’s an idea. Pre-amble Biggest recurring gripe with this game in my 2.5 years playing it has always been the lack of variety of PvP enemy teams. Yes, a meta will emerge, but a game with 350 troops should be able to get more than 10 of these viable in the end-game. The nature of the game, and dumbness of the AI, means that people will put up insta-kill or other grief defences as the only real way to passively gain any rewards from defence wins - as well as just being plain nasty …

Comments welcome - I thought (and still do) that the idea was an easy-ish one to create variety and incentivise changes

[Lyya]

It sounds like a decent idea. I see a few concerns though:

1. How impactful is the 25% boost to stats when deciding upon defenses? I feel it isn’t a big decider for a lot of people when picking teams, as effective synergy more than makes up for it.

2. If different players have different boosts in competitive game modes like Guild Wars, I think we’ll see a lot of people complaining about unfairness (“my defense team is weaker than this identical team by Xyz/my mirror match is stacked in Xyz’s favor!”)

[Mariox]

That explains why PvP seemed better. I had been retreating from all firebomb teams to get actual battles.

[awryan]

Outside of Revenge battles. If I lose or retreat from a match. It seems like I will see that defense more often.
I 100% do not believe that you are less likely to see a defense again if you retreat from it.
You are costing yourself easy gold and trophies.

[Jainus]

@Lyya

• How impactful is the 25% boost to stats when deciding upon defenses? I feel it isn’t a big decider for a lot of people when picking teams, as effective synergy more than makes up for it.
• If different players have different boosts in competitive game modes like Guild Wars, I think we’ll see a lot of people complaining about unfairness (“my defense team is weaker than this identical team by Xyz/my mirror match is stacked in Xyz’s favor!”)

Thanks. To be fair, I wrote that suggestion when the weekly event buffs were 25%, not 10% as they are now.

Main thrust was more to be offering different incentives to different players to change up their defences each week into different teams.