Video: New Player Basics to Spending ALL Resources

RNG. Simple as that.

You would need a lot of data points (thousands of opening events) to get a margin of error that would let you reasonably make that claim. As it is, you’ve got an anecdote, which is easily counter-argued with a contrasting anecdote.

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Trust me it’s not anecdocte it’s true you can ask other console player

@Rickygervais
As you know I play both versions of the game. I have opened plenty on both.

VIP chest on console is not the same as pc version. No random legendary or two epic troops or 2k gold.

Now before the last update the console VIP rng was very similar to the pc VIP rng. Mixture of troops and stones.
I haven’t had a troop for the last 30 vip chests on console. Lol, 60 stones.

I have never seen it happen like this on pc vip chest and I doubt I ever will. That’s why there were two completely separate threads asking about Console VIP and is it broken

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Hey @Tacet, I’d like to suggest that you make a similar video, but for late game players. It took me a long time to figure out that I should save gems for event chests that contain legendaries that I’m missing. Or how best to obtain mythics. I’ve seen you post that gem chests are better than vip chests. Even though that seems counter-intuitive. Anyway, just a suggestion. I think you have a lot of people watching your videos that are late game players also. And they may appreciate such a video as well. Thanks for your videos.

Edit: just curious, does anyone know the chances for mythics in gem chests vs vip chests? I think gem is 10x chance. But not sure about the rate in vip chests.

Sure, but it will have to wait until after 2.1 comes out. The 2.1 update is going to be drastically changing the in game economy for anyone use to the current end game experience. Newer players will still have to do the same start regardless of 2.1, which is why I did them now.

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@Rickygervais VIP chests on Console has the same $130 requirement. Although the Console marketplace on occasion will allow you to buy a few VIP keys in some bundles for $$.

@Rickygervais PRIOR TO the last update there has been some postings of multiple VIP 50 chest openings on console getting a perfect score “100 Arcanes”. I seem to recall someone got it 3x. (300 Arcane no troops). I don’t think there is any data from post update.

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So im not crazy, not always bad RNG there is really aomething different in console version

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these are the mythic rates as usuall, probably you will see such kind of post soon with the next mythic :stuck_out_tongue:

so…
5x 50gem chests =2250gems >> 250 x10 chance points = 2500
1x 50 vip chests =2250gems >> 50 x100 chance points = 5000
supposedly twice as much chance but you only get to draw 50 chests instead of 250… so rng can still do whatever it wants

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Except the math doesn’t quite work like that.

Assume, for the sake of argument, that there is a 0.1% chance to draw a Mythic from a Gem chest. You then have a 1% chance to draw one from a VIP chest. Your chances of not drawing a Mythic on each pull is 99.9% and 99%, respectively.

In your example, you are investing 2,250 gems, which gives you 250 Gem pulls or 50 VIP pulls, respectively. Your chance to get one or more Mythics from Gem chests is:

Pg = 1 - (0.999^250) ~= 0.221 = 22.1%

Your chance to get one or more Mythics from VIP chests is:

Pv = 1 - (0.99^50) ~= 0.395 = 39.5%

So it’s a little worse that twice as good. If we change the probability of a single Gem draw to 0.2%, we instead get Pg = 39.4% and Pv = 63.6%, which is markedly less than twice as good.

VIP is still the best odds you can get, but it’s not a linear improvement.

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Did the community ever come up with a likely figure for obtaining mythics from gem chests?

This post turns me on…( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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I kept trying to tap that Mail icon during the entire video. You’re killing me, @Tacet.

Doesn’t this refute @Tacet’s claim that Gem Chests are better than VIP Chests (assuming the goal is Mythics/Legendaries)? 10x the drop rate for 5x the cost always seemed pretty straightforward to me…

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Awesome! Thanks for the info. I wasn’t sure about the drop rates. Still not sure if I will buy vip or gems chests. I have about 3,200 gems and glory keys each. I’m also still missing famine and death. Both of which seem to be better than what I have heard about the new mythic. Although, I still don’t know a lot about the new troop besides what his third trait is.

I would have to have that logic explained to me, as well. I don’t see why Gem chests are better for Legendaries or Mythics. They’re obviously better for Ultra-Rares, and perhaps better for Epics? (Haven’t done that math.)

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There are 3 instances in which gem chests are better than VIP chests, all of which are applicable for newer players. Gem chests are better than VIP chests when:

  • A player can only afford bulks of 10 VIP chests instead of 50
  • A player needs more troop selection
  • Ultra rares aren’t maxed to mythic

I never said that VIP chests are worse for getting epics, legends, and mythics. VIP chests are the best in the game for getting all of those. It is just that the ratio of resources accumulated from gem chests compared to VIP is nearly a 3:1 ratio. VIP chests get a lot less resources, but those resources are of higher rarity. This isn’t as needed for a newer player since diversity in choice for team composition is normally more important than getting a legend or mythic. Many ultra rares are just as strong as legendary options and the runics are used to upgrade pretty much everything

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Makes sense to me!

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Can you say that again but with more maths? I want you to talk dirty filthy probability to me

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We don’t know the probability of an epic dropping on a VIP chests, or more so the lack of an epic dropping. We would need the legend+mythic drop rate together to figure out what the epic droprate is for the exact ratio. 1:3 is just the simplified version.

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