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[NOT A BUG BUT INVESTIGATING] Lycanthropy - Valravens won't count as death, so you lose the sigils if it takes effect

Good looking out @awryan thanks for the heads up. :+1::+1:
I sure hope they fix this and that it is not working as intended. How cruel would that be.

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Watch next week this bug report gets tagged as “working as intended.” :scream:


Simmer down sport.
I think there’s plenty of actual fuel on the fire already.

Any hypothetical reaction such as that is unnecessary at this point.

In terms of prognostication. Yes, this will report will either be labeled as “not a bug” or “investigating” hopefully sooner than later. Those are the two most likely outcomes.

But as it stands. ALL other transformations besides Lycanthropy will still earn the player Sigils if the Valraven is the one transformed and the player wins the match. So this bug is currently unprecedented.


You know, a few weeks ago, I didn’t like you because of your attitude toward the game and its developers. But now I sympathize with you, and I feel that this game, and all turds given about it, are going down the toilet. This saddens me as someone who really enjoys this game and cares about its players. I seriously hope this is a temporary side effect of the development of Puzzle Quest 3. Seems to me selling IP2 to 505 Games was a bad idea. But hey, that’s just a theory, a GEMS theory! Just kidding! Who am I, MatPat? Of course this isn’t just some dumb theory, this is straight fact! I really feel that this game could be better and development could be taken more seriously. I’ve seen at least one post reply fearing that the game is on its last legs, and I hate to believe that, but sadly I don’t think it’s that unrealistic to believe.

Unfortunately it’s been like this for a long while, well over a year and a half, I think. 4.7 is what I consider the last solid update. I doubt PQ3 has much to do with it, although I’m sure it affects GoW in little ways. I’d love to see the game go through a new era focused on gameplay and quality over monetization, but I don’t have my hopes up.

As it stands currently, the game is still fun for me. A lot of veterans have gotten sick of the lack of QA and well-implemented features and have quit. I encourage anyone who’s not having fun anymore to do the same.


You predicted my answer, team.

This is not technically a bug, as at low levels the Valraven doesn’t have traits. There are also a few rare ways that a Valraven can be affected by Lycanthropy, and this is working as intended.

However, we are looking into how this affects sigils. Even if it is working as intended, we are debating how this affects the spirit of the game, and are looking into things now. (To be clear, we consider this a Quality of Life improvement.)

When I know more I will update you all.


@Saltypatra, why would transforming a troop preserve sigils, but not lycanthropy? Are you sure that’s intended? I dont think there is any other in game way of losing a raven’s sigils unless it runs away.

Traits aren’t relevant here, as transforming preserves sigils.


Just passing on what I was told. We are looking into this.

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I get that you just repeat what you’re told but you do get how labeling things that are obviously broken in multiple ways as “working as intended” just throws more fuel on the fire and further errodes whatever tiny bit of faith in the company any of us has left, right?


It’s a double edged sword.

If they say “yes it’s bugged”.

Then you combine that with the undeniable game breaking Lycanthropy bug and it shows further incompetence and lack of QA testing prior to release.

Where as saying it’s intended. But under review. Makes it sound like they knew this was going to happen. But now that I’ve brought it up. And other players have stated how it doesn’t make sense considering how Transforms have worked in the past. They’ll consider changing it.

It’s all PR hogwash really. As long as the Bull shit gets resolved eventually… I could care less what coat of paint they use on it until it does.


Pretty telling when your Communications person has no further defense than “just passing along what I was told.” This clearly does not make sense - transform holding sigils and Lycanthropy not.

Not trying to bash Salty personally, I’m just really frustrated with this company’s QA and communication.


I’m still bewildered by the “traits” comment. Why that had anything to do with it.
And trying to think back to what point in the Class Trials I actually had the Valraven. Because in my experience. Regardless of if they are traited or not… If they don’t run off… And the battle is won…2 sigils are rewarded.

According to their own game guide. All conditions met. :white_check_mark:
Here’s a screenshot incase they decide to update it for the first time in 2 years.

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Seeing as none of the traits have to do with giving sigils, yeah, the trait comment is irrelevant UNLESS there’s a hidden aspect of Valraven where it needs traits to give sigils (which I can’t imagine is the case, but should be noted somewhere by the devs if it is, as that is not obvious in any way).

Seems like general lack of knowledge about game mechanics and excuses to me. I really don’t think a Valraven only gives sigils when traited, as that is not stated anywhere in the game or guides - can someone confirm?


I think the traits comment is because a dev skimmed this post rather than actually reading it. They think the complaint is that ravens aren’t immune to lycanthropy, when the complaint is actually about lost sigils.


Yeah I just had pretty much the same thought. Either it’s a bug or on top of being completely broken and nonsensical Lycanthropy was designed to steal sigils. That’s honestly much worse.

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I’d think that to be crazy if not for the fact that it just happened on a thread about the new Faction weapon being linked incorrectly :roll_eyes:

I wonder if we should stop making detailed bug reports if they aren’t being read.

New bug report: Lycanthropy + raven = no sigils.

No pictures. No gifs. No comparing with other skills like transform. Just one sentence.

@awryan’s bug report is concise and accurate but apparently is still too much.

If Salty asks for a bug template, we can link to this thread that the template is too wordy.


I’ll admit I’m a bit ticked that this was misunderstood. I don’t expect anyone in charge to read every reply on a bug report. I’d love if they did, or skimmed it at least, but all we’re really asking is that they read the OP before commenting.

OP was extremely clear of what the issue was. If this really was a case of Salty thinking the bug report was about Lycanthropy applying to a Valraven, then the OP was not read, or at least not processed, before a reply was given.

Perhaps Salty did understand the OP’s report, but I agree the response did not seem to match the bug.


I want to be clear I am not blaming Salty here. It could be whoever (a dev? PM? PO? QA? Manager?) told her how this is being handled. Somewhere along the line this bug is being misunderstood.

I am just joking in my last comment about making over simplified bug reports, but do wonder if this warrants a new bug report to force it to be looked at for the sigil issue specifically. But then I read the OP again and I just don’t know how much more precise one can be.

Curious, the game has a tutorial on ravens for new players right? IF, and this is a big if, IFFFFF this is actually intended, then we could make a bug report that the tutorial says sigils are lost only when a raven flies away. If this is intended behavior, that’s clearly not true anymore.


If every single person who reports has at least 4 years of GoW experience and at least 50-100+ of bug reports on the forums a lone (not counting tickets).

So they have the ability to ascertain when the template is needed and when it’s not. Go for it.
I respect that Salty requests for the template when she actually needs it rather than just as a price for admission.

P.S. on this thread I did follow the bug report template. 🤷 (I just used the N/A for stuff I knew wasn’t applicable.)
I just don’t always use the template anymore.

(I hear what you were saying now. Misread your comments first as if I didn’t fill out the template. Because I myself am getting this report mixed up with my other Lycanthropy bug Reports. 🤦)