Can someone explain to me in little more easy and understandable, perhaps some example of the ranking? Cause my guild never lost a fight in the new GW and after last GW we lost one possition in leaderboard even tho we went 4-0…
How does the ELO scoring gets calculated, we had good participation and high win score every day and completed many sets of lines… Doupt that would earn us a degration in rank…
As I read more of the ELO the rating you get from a win is based on the different ranking of the guilds before GW starts… So if your matchmaking gets nuts and you only fight guilds with ex 100+ difference in lower ranking then you, and others in the same area of ranking is fighting eachother, then you wont even have a chance to compete in a fair game? Or did I missunderstand how the system works?
In theory you can get passed by a lower guild that fought higher ranked opponents than you did. However if the guilds in the same area of ranking are all fighting each other some of them will lose. So if you win your matches against the easier guilds you should still go up the rankings. If you won all the battles and lost rankings… I don’t think the system is working as intended.
I didn’t pay enough attention to say for sure but I don’t think we gained any rankings. Despite winning all of our battles.
Maybe @Jeto could take a look or forward the question?
Very oversimplified version-- a higher ranking guild is “expected” to beat a lower ranking guild. The larger the difference, the more the favored team is expected to win.
If the higher ranked team wins, it was theoretically the probable result. As such, a win would be worth fewer ranking points for the higher team (and the losing team would lose less) because, well, it was expected. Then the reverse is true. If a lower-ranked team beats a higher-ranked one, they stand to gain more (and thus the higher team lose more) because that wasn’t “supposed” to happen.
Going 4-0 in an ELO system means very little without context. It’s all about performance vs. the expected result and the expected results are going to be wonky for some time because the ELO assigned to all the guilds aren’t necessarily a reflection of their “Guild Wars skill”.
What ELO needs more than anything to be effective is data. We didn’t have seeding matches to create that ELO like you’d see in something like chess. We don’t have millions and millions of matches played like something like chess does. So what you’re seeing now is a system in its infancy having its teething problems.
So each and every GW things should slightly improve, even if those improvements don’t seem logical on a guild to guild level. It just needs a lot of time and a whole lot of data.
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Well… That’s also how I understand it… But trying to be a compative GW guild and make big wins and only get +41 in rating, while other guild who fight guilds only one rank lower than them on leaderboard get 60+ for a GW round…
Also have other example of guilds fighting dead guilds very very low on the leaderboards and they got 4-0 and also got 60+ rating on leaderboard.
So something is crooked with ratings and I would like to get Devs to check that’s to not a bug… Do they read here or should a ticket be made?
Another question!
Our guild has already participated in both Guild Wars, but we still haven’t received a ranking or rating??
So the matchmaking is its own issue-- my hunch from the outside is, by using trophies as the ELO metric, the system doesn’t know that some guilds specialize in GW and others aren’t playing it at all. So hundreds of places in rankings could be much closer in ELO than logic would indicate.
So, for instance, if my guild beats the stuffing out of a high-trophy/low-GW guild, my guild would, in practice, get credit for beating a “tougher” guild. ELO only sees ratings numbers and not how those numbers came to be.
Basically, something is cooked but the answer isn’t a bug as much as it’s a pure lack of data. And it’s compounded by the lack of results. If we had thousands of GW results per guild the ELO would sort itself out. But we don’t have thousands. We’ve had 8.
It’s a bit of a Catch-22. If you allow for wild swings in ELO, you can have results that make even less sense. If you keep the ELO changes relatively consistent, we’ll have monthly questions just like this. I just don’t know how to account for (a lack of) sample size.
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That is the guild ranking from the ‘old’ guild wars, and has not been updated for anyone, and quite possibly won’t be for quite some time… You should be able to see your position in the Leaderboards section of the GW event. Though it’s not updated until the next war.
Sadly, that’s not accurate. They didn’t retain any of the data from the old Guild Wars rankings and started us all out based on our guild trophy totals. Insane, but true.
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Pretty sure the GW ranking on your Guild page as shown in the above screenshot is your final position from the old GW. It would make sense to link it to the new GW, but how will that create income?