AI Guilds now reward a score

Feature Requests and Game feedback
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Okay then cool, this is clearer, and I can follow this up.
But that is different to reporting that the leaderboard generally not calculating correctly, which is what this thread is about.

There was a bug report around fighting AI guilds and getting no score, which appears to have been resolved (trying to dig up my discussion with the devs about it). This is why there is a score now.

So everyone who has faced AI guilds since that was fixed onwards now gets points for it (again, I will need to follow up with the team for the details). I can also see if there is any data on how much of the majority has faced an AI guild, if that is possible.

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That’s my fault should have made a new thread not an avid forum user

We got 2 and 3 points for fighting guilds in the top 50, should get 10 times the points for facing an AI which doesn’t even have teams it’s just 5 gate battles

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I’ve moved the discussion into this thread. It’s currently a feedback thread as it is intentional that AI guilds reward a score now, as that was a bug before when they didn’t.. but the discussion is becoming the value of that score vs a real guild.

As mentioned, I am following this up.

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I think this should be a fairly high priority GW fix and probably regarded as a bug. The whole point of the gamemode is to optimize strategy and compete for the top spot. If a guild is randomly given that spot through a huge point windfall from a bot guild, there’s no reason to believe your hard work will mean anything.

(I don’t personally care about GWs, or this, at all, but many people do.)

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If there is so called brackets as you have said in the past, how is it possible for an AI guild to be in the same bracket as a top 5 guild?

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So, summarizing how it looks like, guild A fights a dev-provided pushover bot congregation and
gets wins towards individual rewards for free
daily win guild rewards for free
score towards morale ranking for free
while guild B faces real opponent and has to put in effort to even have a chance of gaining anything.
To add insult to injury, guild A has now sped past guild B on morale ranking and will be getting better rewards for their future wins because of the score that devs simply gave them for free.

Please, make that make sense, Jeto, would you? Give us, hmm, three sound reasons why devs prefer guild A over guild B and why guild A deserves free stuff given out to them while guild B does not. It’s not even a discussion

as you so eloquently downplayed it down to the ground (if you insist that facing bots should even merit a score, that score must be the lowest possible amount that your system accepts, plain and simple).
The issue is - why should such situation even be possible? How broken your bracketing system still is and why you haven’t fixed it? (It shouldn’t be too hard to make it a hard and unbreakable rule 5 guilds is a minimum number for a bracket, thus no bots should be necessary).
If you then still insist of having pushover bot farms, then give the same amount of bot enemies to all guilds. Some guild facing them and others not is simply unacceptable.

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There simply shouldn’t be bot guilds in guild wars, maybe one if the team at the very bottom doesn’t have a match.

I thought these bot guilds were supposed to disappear along with guilds that have had no activity for 3 months? They’re ruining guild wars for no reason.

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Will the leaderboatd issue be fixed before guild wars starts or is this issue being swept under the rug?

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Which issue?
That Guilds are now rewarded for defeating AI Guilds, when they weren’t before is not a bug. I am still waiting to hear back from the team about any adjustments to the scoring or Guilds who had not faced AI Guilds.

Or the in-Guild ranking titles? Which I also don’t have an update on still, but is visual as those ranks do not give any rewards.

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Shining force 1 in first because they fought the bot guild and received 19 points to pass everyone and we all get lower rewards because of it.

They should still be 4th.

If that’s not a issue that’s gotta be a joke!

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Players getting a score from fighting a bot Guild was intended to always be the case. AI Guilds are necessary so everyone can play against someone.

It’s happened at all levels and positions in the leaderboard, and last Guild wars it would have been the case for numerous Guilds.

I understand the frustration, in being rewarded a higher score against an AI Guild, again which I have raised with the team.. but everyone is now getting a score for defeating those Guilds when before they weren’t and that was a bug.

This does feel more intense because it is the top 3 placement of the leaderboard, which comes with greater rewards than any other Guilds all throughout the rest of the leaderboard. Who may not even noticed they have fought an AI Guild and the difference in score for fighting them versus another real player Guild.. or this would have been brought up already and discussed.

Again, I understand the importance and frustration. But I can’t make people get back to me, and it’s again, not a bug.

Feedback on what is or isn’t a valid score for defeating them is not a bug. It doesn’t mean that it’s not important or a valid discussion to have but it is not a bug.

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When someone on the team can get back to me about how AI Guilds defeat scoring works, whats intended etc, then I will come back with a response.

But till then, that’s everything I can share.

If anything is changed, I would then try to push to make sure we could get anyone who did or didn’t face an AI Guild their correct score, if that is what happens in the end. And again, I would share it.

Just don’t super appreciate the idea of something being “swept under the rug” when it’s literally been less than a day of me trying to follow this up

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Well the event starts in 2 days.

Maybe it’s just time for me to retire and stop supporting this game

Thats the only thing personally I can do and not be a bother 2 you.

After 9 years this has only become a headache.
I will stop posting on here so I dont cause any inconveniences for you.

Goodbye.

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Even if the event began, and we ended up making changes, then everyone would get those changes adjusted to their account.

We would have the last Guild Wars data and leaderboard movement to follow up on.

But that’s as much as I can do.

Also, no one is saying this is an inconvenience, just trying to make it clear what the situation is and also that it’s not unrealistic to not hear back from a team within a day - shouldn’t instantly jump to the idea that I am ignoring the issue.

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What about the “Paragon of War” trophy/achievement? I know it’s not an “in-game reward” sort of thing, but an awful lot of us would like some viable way to earn this. A way without us having to quit our guilds and form a brand new one-person guild for the sake of one achievement.

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@jeto es increible lo que hacen ustedes con el juego , cada ves que hay un reclamo o no contestan o tratan de llevar la marea para tu lado, la otra ves hice un comentario y ni siquiera has tenido la delicadeza de contestar , realmente ustedes estan perdidos , no solo por que hicieron unas nuevas guerras que no le gustan nadie sino que no saben a donde llevan el juego! Arruinaron gems of war y no creo que tenga arreglo , lo peor que tu dijiste hace un tiempo que querian gems of war por 10 años mas jaja JUEGO ROTO POR CULPA DE LOS MISMOS DEVS

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Problem is scoring,is non sense,on screnshot our guild discusion is why@Jeto

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Why are you staring to follow up just now, then, might I ask? It’s not like this “bug fix” simply came out of the blue. Bear with me and try to see how it looks from player’s perspective.

Firstly, you put bot guilds out there for whatever reason. The lucky ones who face them are simply handed out free rewards but receive no score towards ranking. Those, who didn’t get to ‘fight’ against bots, might consider themselves screwed over.
Secondly, at some point you decide that no-score was a bug and quietly change it without informing anybody, so that facing bot-guilds now not only hands out free rewards but also free ranking score.
Thirdly, for whatever reason you make the obviously inane decision, again - without informing anybody, that free handouts from bot guilds should be worth more score given for battles against real guilds. The lucky ones now not only get free rewards but also free ranking positions that offer even more rewards. Those, who did not get lucky (either by facing freebie bot guilds when they gave no score, or by not facing freebie bot guilds at all), consider themselves doubly and triply screwed over by you.

So…there is a some issue that YOU (and not players, if memory serves me) considered a bug and quietly fixed in a manner of high impact consequences. I hazard do guess, that such a situation requires a thread on Official News channel where you explain the situation, circumstances and the course you will take to compensate guilds that got royally screwed over by your team’s actions, but I can’t seem to find the respective thread. Can you point me to it? Yep, thought so. It almost looks like you did it in a hush-hush manner hoping that nobody would notice and it would get gently swept under the rug.

Just don’t super appreciate the idea of the team (which your are part of) handling impactful issues in secretive under-the-rug manner.

Also, while your are, according to your words, raising the issue, would elucidate us why bot guilds are still here, because this

makes very little sense as it currently stands. I’m pretty sure there are more than five guilds entering each guilds wars thus it shouldn’t be too hard to get real opponents for four days. In previous iteration, if you recall, people faced six enemies during the event without needing to introduce bots; why, then, finding fewer opponents should be such an insoluble challenge?
Also, also, might you present us with clear criteria how you choose which guilds will be given free pass and which guild you will screw over?

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Playing bot guilds isn’t PvP - it isn’t player v player. It seems that the basic structure of match making isn’t correct, so bot guilds were brought in.

Is there going to be any kind of attempt to make matchmaking work so that we don’t need bot guilds anymore?

Guild wars never used to need bot guilds before the remake, at least i never faced one. Now? Every guild wars there’s at least one, often more. It’s ruining what could be such a great mode.

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Funny how this controversy is. When SF1 lost several places due to a bug that prevented GW for several days, nobody thought it was abnormal… but if SF1 gets a patch that benefits it, then everyone complains. Personally, I’d prefer they fix the ton of other bugs that are much more annoying.