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My pledge to support GoW

The only reason I can see for them not resolving the issue properly is because they think it will blow over anyway, and because they know forum only has a small amount of players on it.

And even then I still don’t understand why they dig in their heels so much.

Instead of the half off weaver, just let players craft weaver consuming Yvendra. Make it a recipe that only works one time if you’re scared of people getting too many weavers from their Yvendras (as if). Make it limited for a week like you are planning with the half off one.

Could someone who got two Yvendras from other than event keys craft a weaver then? Sure.

But it’s not like anyone is asking for an easy access Zuul Goth.

And who does it really hurt if someone gets weaver for Yvendra without having spent event keys?

You’ll still have hundreds of players who used up their event keys for weaver, and probably only a handful who got two Yvendras, don’t have a weaver, and will want to make the trade.

The whole thing baffles me.

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I don’t mind a subscription to a game I enjoy. It’s not even that expensive. You get some extra stuff, mostly things you can very well live without or with getting later.

Call it season pass or campaign pass or whatever else. You can still play without getting it. Pretty well, too. Progression is slower but still…

There are so many issues at hand that bother me, though…

I just wish they’ll come around again at some point, hopefully sooner than later.

Work with the player base, make people happy… Happy people spend more on the thing they enjoy. And even if I was incorrect here, they will definitely talk greatly about the game - this is how I found it January 1st 2020 when I started playing - and will recommend it to players. That’s certainly worth more than an AW, no?

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ADDICTED people spend more. The funny thing about these pa$$es is this may be the first real instance of non-whales showing a noticeable impact on the bottom line through sheer volume.

A true “whale” in video game terms could be someone who is independently wealthy, but is more likely to be someone who struggles with addiction and may or may not have the disposable income.

Many years ago I worked a job booking hotel rooms and event tickets for a casino chain in the US. The number of times I was asked “do you guys cash child support checks” or “do you guys take food stamps” or “do you guys cash [insert benefit program here] checks” was utterly depressing.

The gambling industry (which includes gacha/“GOTCHA” games) is predatory as all get out.

[edit] I was apparently using a type of markdown that hid some text, replaced that with square brackets so the sentence makes more sense.

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The thing about the season pass is that you know exactly what you get. Okay, you’ll also get keys to gamble - and yes, gamble mechanics are predatory - but like buying weapons or specific troops, it says exactly what’s in there.

There is always a portion of people whose habits are unhealthy. And of course this game is there to make money and they do prey on addiction.

Addicted people will likely keep spending, no matter what.

But people who usually buy stuff to support a game they like are the people I meant - make those folks unhappy and they’ll stop supporting the game.

What I don’t get is how the way they handle the AW thing is supposed to work for either group.

It’s not like addicted people can now spend money on event keys to open more chests for weaver. They can’t directly buy weaver for real money. They might not be able to get the 2k diamonds even if they spend. So no money there.

People who are not addicted and unhappy with the solution are way more likely to stop spending while people happy with a good solution might buy the next nice thing because they still have that good feeling of having been treated well and they want to support that (and want more of that good feeling).

I’m VIP 6 a bit lower than others here but still a spender and was buying the campaign pass every campaign and may have even upgraded to elite plus when the power orb was added but I stopped spending a cent on this game last year when the warbands came out. I even stopped playing when endgamers got screwed but I came back when GaP came out. Ever since they added war coins as a reward for finishes kingdom quests but refused to give any to people that have already done the quests I will never spend a single cent again.

For a while now all the devs care about is money and it’s getting pretty obvious. When kingdoms rewards were changed a couple of years ago you couldn’t buy the rewards and the people that already completed the kingdom quests got the rewards mailed out but with war coins they sold them in the shop for real money so people had to pay cash if they wanted them all right away. Their excuse of them being mainly for beginners was rubbish as endgamers can really use the extra banners. It is the same in this situation where they should be refunding event keys or exchanging mythics but if they make it craftable the people desperate for it that don’t have the diamonds may start buying the daily or at least the Sunday $5 dungeon deals.

This game and forum has been going downhill for a while. From updates with no content and only including ways to milk more money from players like shrines, poor communication, quick nerfs but very long bug fixing time, bug infested updates and flat out lying to the community.

AW not being in event chests and that being intended is a lie when you look at the help center articles written by the devs themselves. This isn’t even the first time they have lied to the players. Back when the Cedric medal was nerfed there was 3 different reasons in game and on the forums.

Nothing will change and it’s just going to get worse in the future. The devs just do not care about the game like they used too and now it’s all about money. Why bother telling the players the truth about their stuff ups, fixing bugs quickly or properly compensating players when the devs aren’t even really communicating with the players anymore and 99% of the paying players continue buying stuff no matter what the devs do. There will always be people paying $5 for the Sunday dungeon pack to help get their missing mythics and always be people buying campaign passes to avoid missing out on those pets, tarrots and mythics and it looks like might be a new pass coming as well. Why should the devs care about people on the forum being upset when thousands are still regulary paying money in to the game and the devs have basically abandoned this place. Ever since Salty left they don’t even bother posting offical new threads for the weekly event. The only thing they even bother about is reminding people the campaign is ending and you only have a week left to give them money.

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Yeah, I follow. And if a significant number of pa$$-buyers actually decide not to buy another pa$$, this may have an appreciable result on the bottom line. I hope it does.

The forum is a fart in the wind to the people who make the financial decisions because it represents such a small segment of the playerbase. Sure, a couple times things have gotten stirred up badly enough here (and possibly on other social media as well) that a few decisions have been altered - the original blue statue nerf for one, the Sunspear nerf for another…and heck, even this attempt at “reparations” with next week’s reduced crafting cost for AW. So it IS possible to make a big enough of a fuss to get noticed…it’s just very, very rare. The company doesn’t need to care about this forum because by and large, no real damage is done by the people who visit here. Otherwise, they’d pay more attention.

Yes, they’ve had a year to develop a loyal subscriber base who has become accustomed to cheap Mythics and a pile of goodies that by design is an absurdly good value for the spend. The pa$$ is supposed to be a no-brainer, and it worked brilliantly. I’d have not hesitated to buy one either if I were still spending money on the game. After a year of cultivating FOMO, how many people are truly going to be willing to give that up? And that (along with the whales continuing to whale) is likely what is being banked on here.

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I’ve been firmly at VIP 6 for several years. I had no intention of spending more on this game, particularly as the options were awful and I didn’t need them in order to continue playing. The fact I have spent no more money had not a lot to do with my level of support.

This latest nonsense (which does not affect me personally) is just yet another incompetent step.

  • The content I’ve been seeing is not fun or useful.
  • Bugs and intolerable design choices take ages to address (unless they literally break the game).
  • Testing is not done even remotely close to a satisfactory degree.
  • The staffers who actually gave us actionable information have long since withdrawn from public view.
  • Things that they decide leverage things to the players too much get locked down immediately while things that hurt the players get left alone? That bias? That’s sort of to be expected from developers but it still SUCKS…

So this latest thing doesn’t really surprise me.

As I continue to say, I’m biding my time to walk away. I effectively just want to see the last of the delve factions. I’ve got less time in my life to do this (and other more fun things as well), so something’s gotta give and its gonna be GoW unless they do something really amazingly good to keep my attention here.

(Also: I stream at least one game with some regularity, these days. GoW will never ever be on my stream. Just food for thought.)

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This. Before a little thoughts were put into the troops. Everyone remember when Ragnagord was in the store for Glory and people went totally nuts for finally having another great exploder in the game 5 years ago. This is what people want to see, at least something useful from time to time…

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To be fair, this campaign’s weapon and mythic are really fun. I like Yvendra, too

The last useful glory troop was night spider, I think? Unless I forgot one…

This week’s has been fine in the events but it’s not like she’s great overall. And all the Guardians were meh at best.

Anyway, I wonder why it’s such an issue with AW. I remember that there was a bug way back that used up troops in teams if you ascended all troops.

I wrote a ticket and got an extra Tesla or two, can’t remember - I asked if it was possible to undo it or get one Tesla is what I recall. And that made me incredibly happy.

Was quite some time ago… Before they removed the option to write tickets from inside the game…

Incompetence and stupidity aren’t crimes, fraud is.

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I am in this category…

I don’t blame the other players if they feel this way. It happened to me during lycantrophy campaign. I hate it. Before the end they introduced GAP. I love it. So I have this love and hate relationship with the game.

The AW impact is not hard on me as I already have 2 AWs. But I still spent 1k event keys just to test if I can’t get AW. For those who really need AW, I understand that the response is not acceptable from the start “if it really needs diamonds to craft” and the player who spent all their keys do not have enough diamonds.

Re: the faction that doesn’t seem to apply the potions they bought, some players came back to say they are happy with the compensation.

This is a game for everyone, so most likely we have different opinions on each mode. Some players just started so they won’t care about the previous issues. I am affected on the T-match issue bug giving the turn to the opponents. In the meantime, should I make a line match for this bug to not appear? If I can still work around it, then I won’t get mad to the point that I won’t support the game.

However, this game is full of bugs lately. :roll_eyes:

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Bugs are only half the problem. This game also has a history of the devs nerfing the economy in frustrating ways. This AW thing wouldn’t be as big of an issue if they hadn’t repeatedly reduced people’s ability to acquire event keys. In my opinion, they don’t want to fairly compensate people, because that would go against their design philosophy; they don’t want players to have enough resources to be able to keep up / catch up without paying.

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Lol you spent money on this game? We all know gatcha/lootbox/perpetual casino games are not worthy of investment. Their only game model is to make a game addicting enough that you don’t burn out but keep coming back and to siphon money slowly, not all at once. There’s absolutely no way they’re getting money lol. Unless they actually somehow manage to be the only ethical devs in this area which I find like the longest of shots given how the model is set up to work. It’s basically anti-ethical in itself so kinda don’t see it happening to any company.

And i didn’t even start on the bugs part!