# Zuul' Goth... Just wow **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [February 22, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053 "2018-02-22T03:18:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/21 "2018-02-22T21:20:49Z")
But the payout of Maw one-shot spell is quite huge as it gets all stats of the devoured troop. I know “Goth Boi” can finish Impervious and Indigestible targets, but it’s not really a big deal as we can achieve the same with as much as two spells, usually, and for much less mana… And his Mythic trait is just… 😑 ugh… it’s more geared towards a frontline position and could benefit from his spell IF he could cast it more than once even ignoring the strain of having three colors blocked… Score: 1/10. Wouldn’t craft unless i would have 20+ of that “Supreme Orb” after having all cards at Mythic. Yay! Finally Gargantaur is not the worst Mythic! I’m so glad i have him! 😬😬😬 ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/22 "2018-02-22T21:27:03Z")
Gargantaur is still worse. At least Zuul’Goth can do something, even if its just once. Gargantaur is 22 mana for 37 damage early on. ---
**Author:** ![Lilith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e36b37/32.png) [@Lilith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lilith)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/23 "2018-02-22T21:33:37Z")
I understand that the certainty of maws attack is devastating, however the mana diff is 7 maw could be reduced to 18 or 19 mana. My query was why one shot troops have a significantly higher mana cost than troops with a chance to do the same thing multiple times. To me maw isn’t a threat compared to Kerberos since maw can only kill one troop whereas with explorers and loopers Kerberos can cast his kill chance spell every 1 to 2 turns and if devour triggers can seriously cripple a team, in addition to putting his stats to silly levels. Hmm… I supposed I can put it this way maw has a 100% chance to kill 1 troop 0% for all others. Kerberos has a 40% to kill 1 troop, a 16% to kill 2 and 6.4% to kill 3. The ability to cast multiple times is a powerful effect by itself. ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/24 "2018-02-22T21:34:02Z")
“Goth Boi” really pisses me off for the sole reason of being the newest, and most expensive troop, i totally despise for being dull… But well, it’s not the worst the devs could come up with… I must add that **this is not a challenge** to make any new Mythic worse! 😬 ---
**Author:** ![HootyMcOwlFace](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hootymcowlface/32/34644_2.png) [@HootyMcOwlFace](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HootyMcOwlFace)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/25 "2018-02-22T21:47:07Z")
True, but Maw is also a gem spawner, so I guess you have to factor that in too. I see your point though. ---
**Author:** ![Icarium81](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/icarium81/32/37141_2.png) [@Icarium81](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Icarium81)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/26 "2018-02-24T15:28:56Z")
Newer player here, but I have Doom claw (or death claw) the mythic bear who does 19 damage to your target, and 25% chance to devour above and below… With my team I can generally get it cast 2-5 times in a fight, and I’ve dominated (With some luck obviously) when doing Dungeon fights, that through regular stats I couldn’t begin to melee or spell my way into winning. Team Doomclaw, Maralith, Infernal king Sheggra. No one is really spawing gems for my claw, but infernal and sheggra keep the skulls flowing and even without upping the attack from claws start of 27(maybe 29) he can put in about 80 or 90 damage for a melee hit. On one lucky dungeon though I devoured both above and below and he was siting there with 89 attack, 70 some shield and 90 or so life. the rest of the fight took 2 turns. Personally I would take a multi cast ability( and some luck) over a single cast one. ---
**Author:** ![Salibu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/salibu/32/23083_2.png) [@Salibu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Salibu)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/27 "2018-02-24T15:44:48Z")
I feel like if his stat buff trait buffed everyone demon and monster…or something akin to that. It would feel more mythic. ---
**Author:** ![Bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bear](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 6:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/28 "2018-02-25T06:13:35Z")
I feel like he would have been cool as a multi-caster (with the same spell). I think the 32 mana requirement is high enough that it would balance his ability to instakill. Hopefully he gets tweaked once the devs see him not really being used. ---
**Author:** ![Draprion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/draprion/32/8238_2.png) [@Draprion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Draprion)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 6:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/29 "2018-02-25T06:24:06Z")
Personally I’m alright with something that’s voluntary, prohibitively expensive to obtain and isn’t a must have. Easy decision and no sleep lost over not getting him. ---
**Author:** ![Nullings](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nullings/32/39207_2.png) [@Nullings](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nullings)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/30 "2020-03-03T14:02:22Z")
After 2 years of gathering orbs I finally crafted it. Am I a true end-gamer now?.. ---
**Author:** ![Clark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/clark/32/29631_2.png) [@Clark](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/31 "2020-03-03T18:00:11Z")
Congrats. No, you are not an end gamer until you have all Delves at 2500 (this is what Sirrian, Salty and Nimhain said). You also must be disgruntled and unappreciative towards the Dev’s efforts to make this the best game ever! (read that as the best game at extracting cash from wallets). As an end game player (if you wish to be considered as such) you must make snarky comments and posts on the forums at least 1 time per month. I think that is the list of all the requirements, to be considered a pseudo-end-game-player you must meet any two of the three criteria above. ---
**Author:** ![EliteMasterEric](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/elitemastereric/32/59948_2.png) [@EliteMasterEric](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/EliteMasterEric)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 7:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/32 "2020-03-03T19:32:18Z")
> [@Clark](#): > > No, you are not an end gamer until you have all Delves at 2500 (this is what Sirrian, Salty and Nimhain said). If that’s true, then out of the hundreds of thousands of people playing this game there are only about 30 endgamers total. ---
**Author:** ![Clark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/clark/32/29631_2.png) [@Clark](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/33 "2020-03-03T19:51:48Z")
@EliteMasterEric, its not true at all, completely fabricated. ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 9:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/34 "2020-03-03T21:24:06Z")
You bumped the wrong Zull topic. This is the Zuul can only be cast once and sucks version. ---
**Author:** ![FREDDY](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/freddy/32/63726_2.png) [@FREDDY](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/FREDDY)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/35 "2020-03-04T05:15:59Z")
Zuul is Zuul is Zuul and unless u have Zuul;- well the rest is expletives ---
**Author:** ![Nullings](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nullings/32/39207_2.png) [@Nullings](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nullings)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/36 "2020-03-04T05:52:23Z")
> [@UKresistance](#): > > You bumped the wrong Zull topic. This is the Zuul can only be cast once and sucks version. Can you show me the right Zuul topic? ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 11:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/37 "2020-03-04T11:58:10Z")
@TheIdleOne We just don’t call him the exalted avatar of Zuul for nothing. Idle, what’s the appropriate ‘Yay I got Zuul’ post? It’s just not right to celebrate in a sucky Zuul post. ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 2:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/38 "2020-03-04T14:47:43Z")
Cool Screenshot Topic is pretty good if they have a screenshot ---
**Author:** ![EliteMasterEric](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/elitemastereric/32/59948_2.png) [@EliteMasterEric](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/EliteMasterEric)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053/39 "2020-03-04T17:14:00Z")
If anyone here wants a good Zuul’Goth team, the one I designed a while back and have started sharing is: Glaycion Jar of Eyes (hero class whatever) Zuul’Goth Queen Aurora The key to doing well with Zuul’Goth is to embrace the skull spam aspect of his spell, and to do that you want to have at least one other skull creator. Glaycion converts to Blue, so to improve the odds that we get alignment, Jar of Eyes allows clearing the board while creating Icestorms. Queen Aurora is my choice for last slot primarily because the priority is filling the expensive troops (Glaycion and Zuul) but TPK would probably work just fine. I use this for all my PvP and a lot of my Pet Rescues, Challenges, and Explore (when not in Urskaya). [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/zuul-goth-just-wow/36053.md?page=1)