# Worst Thing That's Ever Happened to Game **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [August 31, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691 "2016-08-31T15:17:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/82 "2016-09-01T18:46:38Z")
> [@RiverSong](#): > > Defense wins are _supposed_ to be a garbage reward. You don’t get rewarded for playing on autopilot, you get rewarded for actually playing the game. The lack of a decent reward for Defense wins is basically why we have no Defense variety on the PC side. So while intention was good, the result is a huge downfall and wasn’t worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/83 "2016-09-01T19:15:02Z")
how do you imagine variety would bring a higher chance for defense victory? thats opposite to logic. the strongest meta gives best victory chance and following the strongest meta leads to less variety. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/84 "2016-09-01T19:40:32Z")
I find unfamiliar teams perform better on Defense, so variety definitely has the potential for more wins. There’s just no incentive. And half of all Defense wins from meta teams are quits, so not really winning battles anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/85 "2016-09-01T19:51:11Z")
i actually find teams like khorvash manticore valk mab hardest to beat, while some uncommon combination with lets say keeper of souls or bone dragon, etc not really. i do not know how much you play to be still getting cought with unfamiliar teams but they would just work on the early/mid till players get more experience? and i think actually there is enough of drive to still attempt to set best defense coz ppl stick to ‘winning’ idea even when it is useless on its own they just dont feel comfortable with the loosing xD ---
**Author:** ![orbin111](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/orbin111/32/509_2.png) [@orbin111](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/orbin111)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/86 "2016-09-01T20:44:45Z")
Agree. I think the focus of devs should be on encouraging players to get variety in invade teams. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/87 "2016-09-01T21:50:08Z")
> [@Annaerith](#): > > i actually find teams like khorvash manticore valk mab hardest to beat, while some uncommon combination with lets say keeper of souls or bone dragon, etc not really. i do not know how much you play to be still getting cought with unfamiliar teams but they would just work on the early/mid till players get more experience? and i think actually there is enough of drive to still attempt to set best defense coz ppl stick to ‘winning’ idea even when it is useless on its own they just dont feel comfortable with the loosing xD All I can say is I get a fair amount of Defense wins using my technique. I rotate in more common, top-notch teams as well, but the oddball or two has great success. An example is: Knight Coronet\*\*\* / Treant\*\*\* / Carnex\*\*\* / Gorgotha\*\*\* Gets more wins than it should I think, but who else runs it? Nobody. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/88 "2016-09-01T22:02:32Z")
I saw someone running that exact lineup yesterday (and it wasn’t you). I remember that because it was my only loss. I thought I had the right lineup to overcome the stoneskin/granite skin, but then the exploders got out of control and I was in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![ExtraTurn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@ExtraTurn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ExtraTurn)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/89 "2016-09-01T22:55:31Z")
Just do better rewards and modifiers for running anything that’s not some variant of a lame meta. Problem solved. Manticore modifier should be -50% health, -50% attack, and -50% spell damage right now just to get the ball rolling.🍺 ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 11:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/90 "2016-09-01T23:04:18Z")
Maybe you could just use the counters you’ve already been given. Everything has a hard counter to it anymore, use them instead of complaining. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/91 "2016-09-01T23:35:21Z")
Also how are you going to determine how often is a troop used. There are 20.000 players and every player uses 4 troops. We would need 80.000 troops in order for troops not to repeat. You are complaining about same defense team, I beat you use at least 1 of those troops if not all of them. There are a lot of troops but not so many to see much diversity. There’s simply no reason someone would use bunninog on defense. . ---
**Author:** ![ExtraTurn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@ExtraTurn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ExtraTurn)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/92 "2016-09-01T23:59:52Z")
Maybe we should just ditch all but the 10 troops that everyone seems to adore and be done with it. Best. Game. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/93 "2016-09-02T03:34:27Z")
It feels like the 2.0 update has made everyone much more fixated on rankings, and less on having fun and experimenting with interesting comps. I’m not really sure why. Only a small handful of people will get the ranked rewards, so it seems like it should be irrelevant to most people. Why so much emphasis on min/maxing these days? ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/94 "2016-09-02T04:03:04Z")
I kind of feel the same. Guilds were always after the trophy horse, but there’s almost an obsession with winning quickly now that I don’t recall being there in the past. Selective memory, perhaps, but sometimes I really do miss the more easygoing atmosphere of “cap and pretend I’m the best player on the planet” that we had before PvP score. Much less salty, I feel. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 4:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/95 "2016-09-02T04:05:23Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > … Much less salty, I feel. It surely seems like the forum environment was generally less salty pre-2.0 update. ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/96 "2016-09-02T04:17:57Z")
A bit of a victim of its own success as well. The game seems to continue to grow. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 6:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/97 "2016-09-02T06:27:10Z")
> [@RiverSong](#): > > Maybe you could just use the counters you’ve already been given. Everything has a hard counter to it anymore, use them instead of complaining. please tell me what counters a extra time that i have to waste playing against manticore? coz that is my main concern not the win/loss ratio against them ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 6:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/98 "2016-09-02T06:28:03Z")
@Sirrian is what counters the time waste. > [@A New Mythic Approaches - Draakulis](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-draakulis/11766/1): > > MANTICORE: He has had his mana drain reduced to a flat 7 points, and his Attack Buff now scales only from Magic, not from mana drained as well. He was undoubtedly a little powerful for a 9 mana cost (our original costing put him at 11, but we dropped him to 9 in order to make him more attractive, since mana-drain & self-buffing wasn’t seeing a huge amount of use. He still serves his original purpose of off-tanking and nullifying enemy threats, but it should now hopefully be a little quicker and easier to recover from being manticored! He will be available for refund shortly too. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 6:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/99 "2016-09-02T06:30:54Z")
thank you Sirrian! well with that i am fine with current meta =) but sure id like more diversity in pvp, luckily Sirrian has some tricks up the sleeve even about that 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 6:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/100 "2016-09-02T06:34:07Z")
If you consider playing against a standard troop a waste of time, then I have no help to offer you other than to suggest you may be happier doing something else entirely. This is without a doubt the most self-pitying complaint I have ever heard in these forums, and having been here since the beginning, I have heard a lot. Waste of time? What exactly do you expect? Thirty second matches, all victories? Get real. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 6:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/101 "2016-09-02T06:36:43Z")
manticore often can basically double the time a fight takes, without really changing much of the odds on win/loss. but yeah that was pre nerf [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691.md?page=4) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691.md?page=6)