# Will guild wars rules change? **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [October 28, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869 "2019-10-28T16:17:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![FeelTheBern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/2bfe46/32.png) [@FeelTheBern](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/FeelTheBern)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/44 "2019-11-23T17:52:04Z")
I have a new suggestion Every new year, why don’t we restart GW positions like the initial GW The top wouldn’t be altered very much And the rest would get cleaned up properly ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/45 "2019-11-23T17:54:38Z")
> [@ChunkyMono](#): > > We earn maybe one fourth the trophies your guild earns. We don’t deserve to be in the same bracket with you. I think that is your point, and I will not dispute it. I’ll dispute his point. There is zero correlation between someone’s ability to sit and endlessly farm trophies in casual/arena and someone being able to consistently make high GW scores. One just takes time while the other takes planning and strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Earnham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/earnham/32/63013_2.png) [@Earnham](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Earnham)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/46 "2019-11-23T20:01:41Z")
An elite player to me is one able to score well with half the mythics at their disposal. They dont need someone else to build or play their teams. I know many players that have all troops, weapons, etc. It certainly does not make them elite players. ---
**Author:** ![Thevc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a8b319/32.png) [@Thevc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thevc)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/47 "2019-11-23T20:06:54Z")
A lot of wars is about confidence. There are many high level players with the troop set to compete on colour but refuse to do so. Level 1200 plus getting 30/0 for around 30K points. Empowerment seems to have eroded confidence even further because there is no such thing as a counter for empowered troops when the start board is stacked to their advantage. Spirit fox can of course assist on 2 of the 6 days but beyond that we are all very much at the mercy of the board much of the time. Its the same in pvp. Players use fast start kill machines frequently. Elite players are the most creative team builders. Trophy count is irrelevant. That’s just monotonous grind by those who have the time and inclination to do so. In fact, there’s not much point in being top 100 of pvp. The epic ingot rewards that many players are lacking are awarded below this LB position. I don’t like empowerment because it’s gone way too far. There’s no planning or strategy needed other than to include them in your team. No skill requirement whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Earnham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/earnham/32/63013_2.png) [@Earnham](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Earnham)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/48 "2019-11-23T22:21:28Z")
I think empower troops have actually made guild wars more fun. There is a counter to every team. Some better than others. Luck is a very small part of guild wars as a whole. There is now a thought process you need to run through before each battle. I think it is not a loss of confidence, but more laziness or just straight up not paying attention which makes people lose battles now. The game was too easy and always was. Now that it has a little skill involved to play guild wars the complaining is never ending. Same with pvp, if people cant watch TV, while eating, while watching the kids with an occasional nap all while grinding pvp with no losses they start complaining. ---
**Author:** ![ChunkyMono](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/chunkymono/32/69308_2.png) [@ChunkyMono](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ChunkyMono)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/49 "2019-11-23T23:04:53Z")
That’s my fault for bringing up Trophies. I did not mean to imply skill, only activity. A guild that gets 12,000 trophies a week most likely completes all guild events and tasks. Our guild gets around 3,000, and does not. I therefore doubt that a guild that averages under 300 would. We have several players under level 500 that score over 50k points vs dead guilds. They might struggle vs ‘Elite’ guilds. We will have to wait another 4 to 6 months to find out. Or longer. gl hf ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/50 "2019-11-23T23:18:02Z")
Thank you so much for posting these screenshots. On a separate note, I’d like to add – the fact that the ratio of a guild’s “League Rank : Guild Wars Rank” remains a reliable indicator of the guild’s age is hugely problematic, imo. ---
**Author:** ![Thevc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a8b319/32.png) [@Thevc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thevc)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/51 "2019-11-24T02:12:16Z")
I totally get what you are saying. I still play on colour as I did before the empowered release went turbo. I am pointing out that some players now use full colour on certain days (or not at all) following the changes. The game was definitely less competitive beforehand. Many players aren’t confident in building teams of their own and look for guidance from guild members, assuming of course they communicate with the guild. Guilds in the top brackets wouldn’t maintain their position without creative team builders and a willingness to communicate. Many expect one team to conquer all five opponents on any given day, which we both know is not the case. Adjustments are required depending on the opposition in order to prevail. However, sometimes the best counter team you can muster has absolutely no chance given the opening board. That’s primarily due to empowerment, not the creativity of your team bearing in mind the opposition. Nothing you create will change that as things stand. Getting demolished by a looping team triggered by empowerment on turn 1 has nothing to do with skill. An issue in top brackets now is waiting til the end of the week to fully engage, possibly because your defence medals don’t always benefit your attack decks on specific days. Or maybe you’re waiting for the team builders to come up with something…I don’t know. But it’s definitely happening. The irony is that strong guilds want daily players NOT to do their daily wars until they’ve got as much advantage as possible. That’s their perogative; unless the devs start penalising the guild war “heel draggers” in some way. Might not be such a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 2:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/52 "2019-11-24T02:54:04Z")
The best solution for new guilds climbing brackets as I’ve been saying for ages now: > [@Climbing GW brackets and points](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/climbing-gw-brackets-and-points/56174/9): > > The best solution as I’ve suggested in other similar threads is to have the brackets only go to bracket 100. All other guilds below this would be in one supersize bracket called “bracket 101”. This way any new guild will at least be starting at 101 instead of 400-500+. > > GW rewards are the same after 100 anyway so it makes no difference in that respect. It wouldn’t take long for “dead” guilds to fall down into Bracket 101 and there they would stay getting their minimum rewards every month without impacting on guilds actually playing. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/53 "2019-11-24T14:36:11Z")
I like Fleg’s idea, maybe bracket 101 could have different sizes depending on how many players there are. One thing we don’t know is how big the game really is. Sometimes the devs say it’s really small. Other times they boast of its sizable audience. A smaller game can have a more exclusive top end, but a bigger game needs to find a way to help talented people enter those ranks. In the end I like any idea that makes it easier for a guild that’s actually trying to reach the level where they have to fight to rise further. In my head, if we reset a guild like Anonymous for funsies, it shouldn’t take them much longer than 6 GWs or months to be threatening the “competitive” bracket again. I’m OK with guilds that don’t represent that kind of skill taking somewhat longer. But as-is we all know it’d take years for a top guild to regain rank if that happened, and that means we’re missing a lot of potentially talented guilds due to frustration. ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/54 "2019-11-25T16:44:03Z")
> [@Our Guild placed in wrong bracket PS4](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/our-guild-placed-in-wrong-bracket-ps4/47014/35): > > At least on Xbox, I’d be happy with ten 10 guild brackets (100 total guilds), and then a bracket 11 with everyone one else (100’s or 1000’s of guilds). Top 5 guilds in bracket 11 go to 10, bottom five of bracket 10 get tossed back to bracket 11 with the unwashed masses. Lol, I posted same request in '18 ---
**Author:** ![Thevc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a8b319/32.png) [@Thevc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thevc)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/55 "2019-11-25T21:05:49Z")
Yes I agree but would go a step further. A top 100 bracket guild that registers for wars and then fails to participate whatsoever should immediately be relegated to bracket 101. No ifs, no buts; get rid of the guilds that stagnate wars and block the progress of progressive guilds at once. ---
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/56 "2019-11-25T21:26:50Z")
Me too 😀 > [@Why do dead guilds get registered for Guild Wars?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-dead-guilds-get-registered-for-guild-wars/37894/46): > > It seems to me the real problem is the Brackets numbering to infinity. Meaning any new good guild no matter how hard they try will take practically forever to get to Bracket 1 especially with GW only every 3 weeks now. Maybe we need a new Bracket system that only goes to Bracket 100 and all other Brackets after that are called “Bracket 101”. Seeing as how all rewards are the same after this point infinite brackets don’t serve any purpose other than to prolong the climb for new guilds. The top … ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 5:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/57 "2019-11-26T05:37:25Z")
I’m actually really glad to be seeing support from players in top Brackets on this, given that it doesn’t affect them too directly 🙌. Thanks peeps 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/58 "2019-11-26T20:15:07Z")
> [@Upcoming Epic Guild Tasks (in 4.7)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/upcoming-epic-guild-tasks-in-4-7/59313/98): > > GW matchmaking has been broken for ages, my guild won’t even play it anymore because we keep getting paired with guilds who have big stat bonuses, and we have none, being a strictly casual guild. More stat bonuses we can’t get just increases this disparity. I do not have either the time or the emotional energy to be a “cheerleader” for the game every week in guild chat. I was really interested to see this comment; it seems it works both ways, and that some of the more casual guilds DON’T WANT to stay up in the high-end brackets (or WANT the competitive guilds to jump over them), but have no choice, and don’t get matched with appropriate, enjoyable opponents. ---
**Author:** ![krespe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krespe/32/51496_2.png) [@krespe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/krespe)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869/59 "2019-11-28T14:58:42Z")
Everything can always be fixed. Only need to have a desire. And the developers do not have it. Or do not see the problem, or do not want to see. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/will-guild-wars-rules-change/58869.md?page=2)