# Why was this not a perfect score? **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Created:** [October 3, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145 "2017-10-03T16:52:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/1 "2017-10-03T16:52:43Z")
What bugs me the most about GW is the random scoring - based off some code that determines supposedly how well the game was played. I went up against a standard Justice League team (EK/Val/Justice/Mab) Round one thanks to the board - took out EK Round two - Took out Mab Round three - Val and Justice Poof Why I didn’t take out Mab first round, Mab was not fully traited, EK was. Therefor he was a bigger threat than she was in my strategy. ![noperfectscore](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/f/ef4b3e226593d1bd84aa095b474d2ae2d65a3a2f.png) What did I get for first round - 1191… 9 points I believe shy of the 1200 for that round. If you can’t even know why you didn’t get those 9 points…and it was flawless. No missed 4s/5s. Order of execution based off threat. So why the lack of 9 points min? ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/2 "2017-10-03T16:54:59Z")
> [@Taisiakat](#): > > So why the lack of 9 points min? Because it took you three rounds to do it. To get a “perfect” score, you need to win without making any moves. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/3 "2017-10-03T17:02:08Z")
How many actions did you make? Remember it doesn’t count **turns** it counts **actions** ---
**Author:** ![JuaitoR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/juaitor/32/11770_2.png) [@JuaitoR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JuaitoR)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/4 "2017-10-03T17:02:13Z")
You also need to greatly unbalance the mana you get against the mana the ai gets. I usually get more than 1200pts from soldier battles in GW, I can’t be certain of what the max score is for the first battle, but I’d guess 1250pts. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/5 "2017-10-03T17:02:51Z")
I have gotten as much as 1253 ---
**Author:** ![Trajic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/trajic/32/20447_2.png) [@Trajic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Trajic)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/6 "2017-10-03T17:40:36Z")
> [@Vangor](#): > > I have gotten as much as 1253 This. It seems you lost much more than 9 points OP. You lost more than that. Not sure why, though. If you took lots and lots of 4 / 5 matches - that is what could have stolen your points. The more actions you make - the less points you get. Don’t get mad at me for it - I think it’s dumb, too. I’m just passing on the news. ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/7 "2017-10-03T19:50:29Z")
> [@Vangor](#): > > How many actions did you make? Remember it doesn’t count turns it counts actions That is just so bizarre = A game that gives you an RNG factor now also now costs you points? That doesn’t seem accurate. Turn 1: 3 moves from board, 2 casts (EK), 1 auto skull attack (Val) Turn 2: 3 moves on board, 2 casts (Mab) Turn 3: 2 moves on board, 1 auto skull attack + remove (Val) + 2 Casts, (Justice) Btw, the only reason I thought 1200 was the tops for round 1 - is that is the most common one I’ve gotten since the -second redesigns of points- for the first round 250. But we’re in bracket 7-10 and I’ve been either soldier or the next one up. Maybe that has to do with points? ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/8 "2017-10-03T22:12:09Z")
You don’t get less points because you are a soldier. ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/9 "2017-10-03T23:38:11Z")
I’ve received 1261 points from a Soldier battle before, but I view 1250 as the ideal score. And I agree completely that the GW scoring formula is opaque. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/10 "2017-10-03T23:50:38Z")
> [@Grundulum](#): > > the GW scoring formula is opaque As it should be imo… Considering recent events i feel that it should be as opaque as possible ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 9:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/11 "2017-10-04T09:07:41Z")
> [@Vangor](#): > > As it should be imo… Considering recent events i feel that it should be as opaque as possible Disagree here, that’s similar to security by obscurity, it’s guaranteed to backfire. Keeping the scoring details secret is actually a blessing for those guilds who want to continue to collude undetected. It’s quite easy to set up defense teams that seem to perform in a normal way, yet still grant the invader 100 more points each fight than they would have received otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Jarius777](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jarius777/32/30113_2.png) [@Jarius777](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jarius777)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 11:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/12 "2017-10-04T11:52:31Z")
One other consideration is the guild statue levels ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 12:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/13 "2017-10-04T12:40:17Z")
A total of +419% score bonus is possible in a guild wars battle, and all bonuses are additive with each other before being applied to the base score. You can earn 50% per correctly colored troop (assuming level 100+ guild statues), 1% for each action taken under 50 actions (can’t win without taking an action, so 49% max), and the other 170% being divided in some way between damage ratios (maxed out if you take 0 damage, or deal at least 4 damage per damage taken), survival bonus (maxed out if you end the battle with 4 troops), and mana gather ratio (maxed out if the enemy gathers 0 mana, or you gather at least 4 mana per mana they gather). An action is _anything_ you do - take any gem match, cast a spell, etc. The best possible score for the first battle of Guild Wars would be 1298, since the 2.5 points you lose off the _perfect_ 1300 score for taking a required action is rounded up. The best I’ve accomplished in an _actual_ battle so far is an 8 action win I believe, with perfect marks in other categories. As for reasons for your 1191 showing, since you are clearly unscathed and have four troops, you lost points from taking a lot of actions, not having level 100 guild statue (and therefore less than 50% bonus per correct color troop), or letting the enemy take too much mana, or some combination thereof. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/14 "2017-10-04T14:11:14Z")
> [@JuaitoR](#): > > I usually get more than 1200pts from soldier battles in GW, I can’t be certain of what the max score is for the first battle, but I’d guess 1250pts. I might be wrong, as far as I understood it max theoretical score for the first battle is currently 1300. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/15 "2017-10-04T14:29:33Z")
I agree. There’s no substitute for 100% transparency where a subjective grade is concerned. ---
**Author:** ![aarons47](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aarons47/32/35886_2.png) [@aarons47](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/aarons47)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/16 "2017-10-04T21:35:44Z")
Jarius777, Guild level statues have nothing to do with scoring. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/17 "2017-10-04T21:39:16Z")
> [@aarons47](#): > > Guild level statues have nothing to do with scoring Actually they do… ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/18 "2017-10-04T21:48:24Z")
> [@aarons47](#): > > Jarius777, Guild level statues have nothing to do with scoring. Higher statue levels can have higher daily color bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![Jarius777](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jarius777/32/30113_2.png) [@Jarius777](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jarius777)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/19 "2017-10-04T21:56:47Z")
If OP guild statues are under level 50 this could very well explain a score below 1200. Max score with low guardians for a day is just over 6k and with level 50 guardians you can score over 7400 not sure what the max score is im guessing around 7500? ---
**Author:** ![Trajic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/trajic/32/20447_2.png) [@Trajic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Trajic)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145/20 "2017-10-04T22:23:51Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#): > > I might be wrong, as far as I understood it max theoretical score for the first battle is currently 1300. It’s not 1300. It’s somewhat less for the 1st battle. … Just sayin’. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-was-this-not-a-perfect-score/31145.md?page=2)