# Why the player thinks the AI cheats Part Deux. (4.3 edition) (Rants should be a category) **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [April 11, 2019, 6:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970 "2019-04-11T06:08:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 6:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/1 "2019-04-11T06:08:33Z")
Welcome back for those who followed the first thread. No theories on my end at this time. No solutions for the šŸ’©. Just ā€œbiasedā€ evidence of what I feel like was the ā€œFuā€ switch being turned on. Sirrian, educated me that no such mechanic exists. Wellā€¦ You decide for yourselfā€¦ [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/b/eb11a7d1bf3c2c4fc17957d67d73d42a9b7f4fb2.jpeg "Only cost me 1/3 of the points I would of made had the AI not gotten "lucky AF" šŸ™„") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9VaMGItycQ) Thatā€™s a lot of yellow for a red storm. Thatā€™s a lot of ā€œbad luckā€ to happen when I had over 80 wins in a row. Thatā€™s exactly 3 troops dead with 1 close to death AI troop left. Thatā€™s a lot of moves to my 1. šŸ¤· - I get 1/3 my points taken away by losing to a team that I have 1k more power than. (A 3 trophy match no less.) ![Screenshot_20190411-005136](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/8/a/8aec59bd450538c87994e4d30db8531377151bf1.jpeg) - In the 32 hours Iā€™ve done ranked pvp Iā€™ve received 7 of these: ![Screenshot_20190410-234550_Speedtest](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/0/a/0a614f8002b6882853a9a66634bae5a3ee7cc8f6.jpeg) Despite having the notification turned off in game for 4 months. - Finally, Iā€™m getting 3/5 the PvP points (and maybe gold) for the exact same matches I did 9 days ago. So who exactly decided it was a great business plan to troll their players? We lose matches we arenā€™t allowed to win. We get our gold/PvP scores nerfed because we max upgraded our kingdoms and do legendary tasks. We get things like ā€œPvP notificationsā€ even though no one asked for them. (And NO ONE gives a šŸ’© that I donā€™t want them.) ā€œmy ticket or reportā€ has been put on the back burner behind the AI vs AI arena. (Thatā€™s how much of non priority it is.) It sucks that someone plagiarized some art @Sirrian. Now you know my frustration with you ruining what is your own art. Like your past self is being ripped off by your future self. Yeah there have been some great additions to what the game was 2 1/2 years ago. But every single one of those pluses came with a negative. I believe you that ā€œluckā€ isnā€™t a factor in regard to situations like this. But if the AI went into Super Saiyan mode because it thinks Iā€™m ā€œso much powerfulā€ than it. Then I should just quit for 5 months so that I can then come back to a ā€œfair gameā€. Or not come back at all. šŸ¤· For those who want to read the first edition: > [@Why Players think the AI cheats](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-players-think-the-ai-cheats/51538): > > First off the devs have emphatically said that the AI/RNG doesnā€™t cheat. What they rarely explain is that there is a mechanic called ā€œluckā€ factor that devalues your input as a player to ā€œbalanceā€ the game. I have always hated that mechanic cause though Iā€™m sure it has gone in my favor before. It feels completely like a punch in the gutt when it doesnā€™t. Therefore Iā€™ve a always been vocal that that ā€œluckā€ factor should be removed completely. Or at the very least, from sigil based matches. Todā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![en9nhcet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/en9nhcet/32/1673_2.png) [@en9nhcet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/en9nhcet)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 6:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/2 "2019-04-11T06:49:01Z")
so when will the ai vs ai arena come out? before or after the friends list? xD ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 6:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/3 "2019-04-11T06:54:47Z")
> [@en9nhcet](#): > > so when will the ai vs ai arena come out? before or after the friends list? xD Hopefully soonā„¢ after we find out what the Twitter Weapon will be. The announcement is currently lateā„¢. > [@Design-a-Weapon! (Week 4: Spell Suggestions)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/design-a-weapon-week-4-spell-suggestions/52874/72): > > Update, will be tomorrow. My attentions are needed elsewhere. stuck_out_tongue ---
**Author:** ![Whiplash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whiplash/32/48274_2.png) [@Whiplash](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiplash)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 8:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/4 "2019-04-11T08:08:31Z")
You got the shaft on that one, bro šŸ˜’ ---
**Author:** ![OMFGorgeous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/omfgorgeous/32/50031_2.png) [@OMFGorgeous](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/OMFGorgeous)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/5 "2019-04-11T14:30:27Z")
This is literally how I lost my paragon battle yesterday. You make ONE 3 match and then theyā€™re offā€¦ it is the most annoying thing. ā€˜Cause you know your team could beat theirs. šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„ ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/6 "2019-04-11T16:01:03Z")
I didnā€™t watch the video because I think Iā€™d be triggered. What the _hell_ was up with red day yesterday? I had an absolutely terrible time. It wasnā€™t just ā€œbad starting boardsā€, it was ā€œI lost 3 troops to the CPUā€™s first turn.ā€ None of my converters _ever_ had a sensible lineup, but boy howdy did the CPU get favorable outcomes. Iā€™ve seen quite a few people complain about similar high-variance issues. I blame Doomskulls, which is a weird departure because usually I defend Doomskulls. Itā€™s notable youā€™re using a Doomed weapon. Almost every defense I faced yesterday used one. Almost everyone I know is using a Doomed weapon or Doomskull team. You know what happens when you put ā€œlots of color conversionā€ and ā€œDoomskullsā€ on the same board? Lots of really, really swingy games. Sometimes you just hand the entire match to your opponent because your side whiffs. Other times youā€™re completely hamstrung because casting your troops will obviously hand the match to your opponent. Generators and converters are _really_ bad for strategic play. I also noted, when I was taking notes, that in general every turn a player was getting 1 turn or ā€œmore than 3ā€. I logged one match in Discord to a hapless listener and the turn balance went: 1/3, 1/1, 1/5, 1/1, 1/1, 1/4, 2/1, 5/2, 1/6 I had a looping team based on converters. They had a looping team based on converters. As you can see, I was stuck with no casts and not even 4-matches to make save for two of my turns. He who looped best won, and that is entirely up to luck. I hate it. I still want a cap on free turns. The other horrible experience was a team I was _beating to a pulp_, but it summoned **12** replacement troops along the way. The problem with me beating it to a pulp was it was summoning as fast as I was killing. That oneā€™s just bad luck, but it happened right before the other matches so it just contributed to an overall ā€œI hate GWā€ feeling. ---
**Author:** ![Thevc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a8b319/32.png) [@Thevc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thevc)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/7 "2019-04-11T16:17:02Z")
Iā€™ve certainly had storm issues on both brown and red day. Duststorm day 1 was non existent and got me slaughtered by a flammifer yao paragon team presented with a dream board. 24 hours later I blew the whole board on red day only for my firestorm to provide TWO RED GEMS on the new one. Thatā€™s just wrong. @awryan; your clip demonstrates the storm debacle very nicely, and painfully. ---
**Author:** ![Barney\_Stinson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/barney_stinson/32/37796_2.png) [@Barney\_Stinson](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Barney_Stinson)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/8 "2019-04-11T18:46:03Z")
Yes, this week is a typical cheat or something is wrong weekā€¦ Last week i win in pvp all the fights, 385:4 or so. But this week is bad. So only the bare necessities ingame. Such weeks are frustrating and not worth the effort. And yes, yesterday the redday and the brownday before are nice typical gw days where bonedragon and khorvash can create first brownstorms and then skullstorms. I never get only one line for my converter, the ai get 4match after 4 match, free skulls every turn, active storms creating less gems from this color, freeturns for the ai after 3matches and the newest bug, possessed king explode no gems on 4match. Nice. (i never saw a ishbaala they got no full mana after her first cast and can take every skullmatch they create) (i fight daily against the stormproblem in delves with mountaincrusher) ---
**Author:** ![Thevc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a8b319/32.png) [@Thevc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thevc)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/9 "2019-04-11T23:37:38Z")
It just keeps getting better. Zuul, fox champion team fight 4. Built and tested a deck and won a dozen or so fights. Loaded wars fightā€¦one green for leprechaun to explode and no significant moves available. Cast leprechaun and then got 7 straight skull smashes on my stealth godslayer team followed by a zuul cast. Game over. Reloaded and got skull blitzed again lol. The RNG in this game is completely ruined as is the fun factor I used to get from playing it. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsheep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e8c25b/32.png) [@Nonsheep](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nonsheep)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 10:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/10 "2019-04-12T22:23:37Z")
How many times do we have to be told it just isnā€™t soā€¦ lolā€¦ Frostmage class & all opponents were frozen, but the AI still took 3 3 gem moves & castedā€¦ Itā€™s not cheating because they programmed it to do thatā€¦ here is a novel ideaā€¦ AI has to follow exact rules Us players do. ---
**Author:** ![Changer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/changer/32/39871_2.png) [@Changer](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Changer)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/11 "2019-04-12T23:22:03Z")
Worst part about that match, from the looks of it, is that you actually did take the best possible move available there. You had to break up that cluster of red gems and skulls that turn to prevent a T match from Ishbaalaā€™s cast. The brown gem with a skull on top of it sky dropping from the fourth row were completely unpredictable, and had either one of those two gems been anything else, you would have won the match on your next turn. I find that kind of thing very unsatisfying, personally. Itā€™s not a matter of the other team being better or playing better; itā€™s just dumb luck auto-winning at the last minute. And it seems to happen far more often than is statistically probableā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/12 "2019-04-12T23:22:15Z")
I think a lot of this would be better if (I knew which thread I was in) ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/13 "2019-04-13T00:37:35Z")
> [@Slypenslyde](#): > > I think a lot of this would be better if: Are you on you right thread? Did you mean your post to be on my complaint about starting board RNG? This OP had nothing to do with GW. šŸ¤· ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/14 "2019-04-13T01:29:26Z")
Ugh youā€™re right. At some point all the threads blur together, and I sort of wish the forums had a one-click ā€œto the topā€ button. Iā€™ll just edit it out. ---
**Author:** ![PowerPlay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/powerplay/32/3886_2.png) [@PowerPlay](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/PowerPlay)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 2:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/15 "2019-04-13T02:57:36Z")
At this point Iā€™m just convinced that Arenaā€™s the only good in-game trophy option. Good rewards too. AND ITā€™S BUCKING FAIR. ---
**Author:** ![BelethS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beleths/32/53407_2.png) [@BelethS](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BelethS)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 7:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/16 "2019-04-13T07:26:57Z")
I gotta say my 2 cents. In yesterdayā€™s gw, I faced exactly the same team type 3 different matches (glaycion - doomed blade - alderfader - grave seer). First 2 fights I smashed the team into oblivion in less than 4 turns. Last fight, vs the paragon, got 1 st turn popped. THATā€™s bad rng lol. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 1:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/17 "2019-04-13T13:34:42Z")
Yeah I had a taste of it today. Paragonā€™s the Rope Dart team. I buckled up and fought it. Turn 2 it took 10 free turns and killed 3 of my troops. This is the side of Rope Dart I donā€™t like. Yes, it happens to me all the time. Thatā€™s why I use it on offense, the turn 2 wins are just too frequent. I think the game would be better if they werenā€™t, but Iā€™m going to use it while I have it. Either we need to end GW, or the devs should commit to nerfing any team that can demonstrably win on a single turn. Thatā€™s what I want for my happiness. ---
**Author:** ![Skull\_Captain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/skull_captain/32/53379_2.png) [@Skull\_Captain](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Skull_Captain)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-player-thinks-the-ai-cheats-part-deux-4-3-edition-rants-should-be-a-category/53970/18 "2019-04-24T01:53:29Z")
Sometimes the IA do absurd thingsā€¦ And is annoying.