# Why the MAJOR STEALTH NERF to FORGE? **URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-major-stealth-nerf-to-forge/33974 **Category:** Uncategorized **Created:** [December 14, 2017, 5:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-major-stealth-nerf-to-forge/33974 "2017-12-14T05:44:01Z") **Posts on this page:** 1 **Showing post:** 40
### Author: ![Sheba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sheba/32/45190_2.png) [@Sheba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sheba) #### Post date: [December 14, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-major-stealth-nerf-to-forge/33974/40 "2017-12-14T16:15:32Z")
> [@Courtaud](#): > > I can understand missing Epics - even if I never met anyone complaining - but pointing at Commons is ridonkulous. When I started out, I was basically using epics exclusively - as I guess most starting players do - (Luther, Tyri and Raven) and would have loved the chance to get more copies of them outside of event weeks to ascend them. The first bosses in the forge were doable with those three (+Hero), actually, so I did get a few stones and would have liked using them for that if the new mechanic would have been in place then. Right now, I want Sir Gwayne copies a LOT because it’s sad to have an epic in a team of mythics and legendaries. I also have no epic ascended to mythic yet while a lot of commons and rares have reached that goal already. Epics are a pain, given how VIP chests are the only reliable source and an expensive pain to buy. > [@Courtaud](#): > > Also, the tile placement on the Chests page is nonsense. Indeed - I had pointed that out when the previews were shown and someone actually told me that they had said in stream that it would be switched around or something. Lemme find that post. > [@Gems of Streaming](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/269): > > They said sidescrolling while opening chests will be gone. Back to vertical, thank god! They mentioned moving placement of gold and (i think) glory chests as well. Gold chests first, bottom left. And now there will be option to open 200 at a time. Kinda cool, especially now that we can scroll vertically again. Guess that didn’t happen. --- _[View the full topic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-the-major-stealth-nerf-to-forge/33974)._