# Why is points getting so low when using Zuul and other devour troops and true damage dealers in GW?
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-is-points-getting-so-low-when-using-zuul-and-other-devour-troops-and-true-damage-dealers-in-gw/82184
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)
**Created:** [November 10, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-is-points-getting-so-low-when-using-zuul-and-other-devour-troops-and-true-damage-dealers-in-gw/82184 "2023-11-10T14:38:13Z")
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-is-points-getting-so-low-when-using-zuul-and-other-devour-troops-and-true-damage-dealers-in-gw/82184/1 "2023-11-10T14:38:13Z")
As short title asks.
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### Author:  [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-is-points-getting-so-low-when-using-zuul-and-other-devour-troops-and-true-damage-dealers-in-gw/82184/2 "2023-11-10T14:48:18Z")
It depends on what else you are doing. One scoring factor is the damage you deal compared to the damage your opponent deals. For optimal score, you need to deal at least 4 times as much damage as your opponent, e.g. 600 total damage if you got hit for 150 total damage. True damage bypasses armor, which cuts damage potential in half, kill and devour doesn’t count as damage at all. That’s not an issue as long as you only receive tickle damage, if you find yourself getting smacked around you’ll have a hard time compensating.
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-is-points-getting-so-low-when-using-zuul-and-other-devour-troops-and-true-damage-dealers-in-gw/82184/3 "2023-11-10T16:30:53Z")
Exceptionally odd scoring system.