# Why do higher level players get penalized so much by making less gold and VP than lower players in pvp? **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [April 22, 2025, 4:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572 "2025-04-22T04:56:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CHIEFSFAN27](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e68b1a/32.png) [@CHIEFSFAN27](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CHIEFSFAN27)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 4:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/1 "2025-04-22T04:56:41Z")
I’m level 2,137 and my guildmate is 1,948, he was talking about how much gold he made in PvP when l don’t come close to what he makes I’m also a higher vip level and have an extra 150% gold boost than he does since l bought the ring of wonder won’t happen again since seeing l still make way less per battle for fighting the same person in PvP ---
**Author:** ![CHIEFSFAN27](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e68b1a/32.png) [@CHIEFSFAN27](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CHIEFSFAN27)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 4:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/2 "2025-04-22T04:57:49Z")
![1000012684](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/d/e/dec833a8fc99eb88c784e9025661a78e504aecf5.jpeg) ![1000012683](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/a/caaafd5d35d8239f571687976aa521269618e43b.jpeg) Plus 2,726 for him compared to my 2,246 which is thousands more per battle than me even with 150% more gold boost ---
**Author:** ![CHIEFSFAN27](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e68b1a/32.png) [@CHIEFSFAN27](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CHIEFSFAN27)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 5:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/3 "2025-04-22T05:03:56Z")
Also players 400 levels lower than me that have 2k more team score than me and get way more VP per battle how does that make since? ---
**Author:** ![CHIEFSFAN27](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e68b1a/32.png) [@CHIEFSFAN27](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CHIEFSFAN27)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 5:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/4 "2025-04-22T05:10:28Z")
![1000012687](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/8/38ed233673749af202fe5be406567dc921ad0ea3.jpeg) ![1000012686](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/8/d/8d8967a669e7bf2204eb5c3f5c4937775617b1cd.jpeg) Explore l clearly make more gold like l should with the extra boost l get but completely screwed every way when it comes to PvP which is what the game has completely become focused around now ---
**Author:** ![CHIEFSFAN27](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e68b1a/32.png) [@CHIEFSFAN27](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CHIEFSFAN27)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 5:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/5 "2025-04-22T05:15:36Z")
Not to mention you completely ruined GW’S and now l have 54 team slots that l used to save and test GW’S attack and defense teams with that have become completely useless since l only need 2 team slots now explore 1 team and an explore 12 team thats it 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Snarko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@Snarko](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snarko)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 4:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/6 "2025-04-23T04:37:55Z")
I agree that it’s stupid that you get penalised for _making progress_ in the game. A game should not punish you for making progress. The VP reward system should be redesigned. ---
**Author:** ![CHIEFSFAN27](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e68b1a/32.png) [@CHIEFSFAN27](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CHIEFSFAN27)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 9:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/7 "2025-04-30T09:19:28Z")
Can’t even get a response from someone? As a player that has happily supported this game for 10 years very disappointing @Jeto ---
**Author:** ![WWDiver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/wwdiver/32/40338_2.png) [@WWDiver](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/WWDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 10:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/8 "2025-05-01T10:28:11Z")
I’ve also been a supporter of this game for 10 years and I also am amazed each time when I look at some players scores at a much lower level … half the number of fights and double the VP score 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![redtoadstool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc8723/32.png) [@redtoadstool](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/redtoadstool)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 3:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/9 "2025-05-01T15:33:12Z")
I think the idea is that their battles would likely have taken longer than higher level players. Not necessarily true in all cases of course, but probably true for the most part. ---
**Author:** ![Julli-of-North](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/julli-of-north/32/91083_2.png) [@Julli-of-North](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Julli-of-North)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/10 "2025-05-01T18:38:51Z")
Company policy: Tho shall not benefit from your achievements! ---
**Author:** ![CHIEFSFAN27](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e68b1a/32.png) [@CHIEFSFAN27](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CHIEFSFAN27)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 6:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/11 "2025-05-02T06:47:16Z")
But are tons of level 1700’s with higher team scores than me at level 2139 which makes them hsve higher stats and faster battles I don’t think there is no difference in time either way it takes 2 cast of stellarix for them and me ---
**Author:** ![CHIEFSFAN27](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e68b1a/32.png) [@CHIEFSFAN27](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CHIEFSFAN27)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 6:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/12 "2025-05-02T06:51:51Z")
Then there’s the fact l’m making 10k less per battle than someone 200 levels below me for doing the same battle and l have an extra 150% more gold bonus than this person from Vip level ---
**Author:** ![redtoadstool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc8723/32.png) [@redtoadstool](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/redtoadstool)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 10:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-higher-level-players-get-penalized-so-much-by-making-less-gold-and-vp-than-lower-players-in-pvp/87572/13 "2025-05-02T10:32:26Z")
I agree chiefsfan, I’d rather see it determined by team score, like it was in the old pvp, than player level. The team score is a much better determiner of how hard the battle will be than player level.