# Why do 4 gem matches never Mana Surge? **URL:** \ **Category:** Support\ **Created:** [July 14, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-4-gem-matches-never-mana-surge/9538 "2016-07-14T15:02:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 10
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-4-gem-matches-never-mana-surge/9538/10 "2016-07-14T17:25:57Z")
Good to know. Do you have a source for that? Would then be interesting to understand why it’s different for Console. Just a matter of philosophical differences? The only forum topic I see discussing the issue is the following, and that has no dev commentary, just player speculation: > [@4x-match = no mana surge](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4x-match-no-mana-surge/653): > > I’ve been playing GoW for awhile, but noticed it only recently: When I match 5 gems I ALWAYS get a mana surge. When I match 4 gems I NEVER get a mana surge. It wasn’t important or noticeable before, but as skill numbers grow and the chances for mana surges become tangible (like 50%), I started to make some tactics relying on them. And now to my surprise I find that sometimes 3x-matches are more beneficial than 4x ones. So was it always like this? Or was it changed by some patch? Is it by de… --- _[View the full topic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-do-4-gem-matches-never-mana-surge/9538)._