# Whos the first to reach VIP 20? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [July 4, 2017, 11:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whos-the-first-to-reach-vip-20/26902 "2017-07-04T11:55:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 41
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 6:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whos-the-first-to-reach-vip-20/26902/41 "2017-07-05T06:43:07Z")
> [@Ozball](#): > > I’m not so sure about this, my troops all got bumped up to level 10 when I hit VIP8. I was really confused to start with since all my kingdoms had magically become 1-2 stars overnight it seemed. Sorry what I wrote is not clear… I mean if all your troops are level 20 and you get the bonus, there is no refund of the souls that you spend for leveling your troops. > [@Ozball](#): > > Also it’s worth noting that you’re not paying for the VIP bonuses directly. They are, as their name states, bonuses. You have to buy other stuff first to get them. Yes and no. As I said these bonus are the only interesting things that high level players can get with dollars. I personnaly round my VIP level to get the “troops at level 10” bonus. Yes I bought gems for that because gems are always useful but the main reason was for the bonus (which seems useful when you don’t a stock of souls but useless when you have 400k…). > [@Ozball](#): > > If there was a pity timer then they might as well just change the whole system to paying (either Gems or $s) directly for cards. Since you’d know you need to pay $X to get a mythic/legendary etc, which would then also increase the “pay to win” calls since people can just drop a fixed amount of cash and get a powerful card. It reminds me that we already discussed about that here: [Pity Timer, still in the making? - #14 by Ozball](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pity-timer-still-in-the-making/23907/14) Nothing more to say, and to resume my answer I don’t see how guarantee a specific troop with a pity timer to players who give many dollars will make this game a P2W: - even if you have the troops that doesn’t mean that you are going to win - putting a Mythic troop doesn’t make your defense team unbeatable - one powerful setup is based on Mab/Justice/Valkyrie for example so, no troops super difficult to obtain (as Mab is buyable via the weekly dollar pack for 50$). In resume, obtaining these Mythic troops doesn’t give a real advantage. Of course, a newcomer can start this game, doesn’t see what I expose and cry P2W. Exactly, what happens when the gold fee for battles was there… And the hypothetic rich guy who spend 10,000$ in the game to maximise everything is a myth. Pity timers are implemented in other games to avoid situation where one player spend huge amount of dollars without obtaining what he was trying to drop. I think it’s fair to have this kind of feature in the game and no, the Crafting is not the same that a pity timer… --- _[View the full topic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whos-the-first-to-reach-vip-20/26902)._