# Wheres the Epic vault keys **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [August 15, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/wheres-the-epic-vault-keys/65470 "2020-08-15T03:38:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 115
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/wheres-the-epic-vault-keys/65470/115 "2020-08-20T02:24:17Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > Just popping in to let you know that we ran tests as well as checked the code. I have been speaking to the team further and requested that we run another set of simulated drops just in case. > > As far as we can see, from checking the code and the tests we have already run, they are dropping as intended. As many people have mentioned earlier, there is also a strong bias towards RNG, and the evidence in this thread is purely anecdotal. Perhaps this can be solved with a few simple question: Did the rate quoted in the original post of 10% apply to during a gnome event weekend or not? Does the rate of Epic Vault Keys during a vault event weekend increase at a rate proportional to the increase of normal vault key drops? I noticed every response so far has said “as intended” while conspicuously withholding exactly how much “intended” is. You already gave out a rate with the patch notes, even though it is thrown out as a rough number that is in proportion to another number that was never officially stated, it is _that ratio_ that does not align with data (which is why there are claims of it being “wrong” rather than just “too rare”), being off by a _large_ rate on the relative scale over a large number of samples. See also: > [@Vault Weekend data collection - for w/e 13 Sept](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/vault-weekend-data-collection/65449): > > I’m not sure if there is an established researching base like TheSilphRoad for Pokemon Go. If there is, I’d like to join. If there isn’t, anyone interested? I think I saw a post from Redi dated a few years go collecting data for gnome appearance. Do you think you can help me systematically collect: # of battles done (that can spawn gnomes) # of gnomes encountered # of keys received Over the whole weekend? Even if you don’t record battles, just the latter 2 will be useful to work out key:… Which is far less anecdotal than people throwing around “I got one” versus “I didn’t” in this thread. Can provide math if necessary. --- _[View the full topic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/wheres-the-epic-vault-keys/65470)._