# Wheres the Epic vault keys

**URL:** <https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/wheres-the-epic-vault-keys/65470>\
**Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\
**Created:** [August 15, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/wheres-the-epic-vault-keys/65470 "2020-08-15T03:38:03Z")\
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**Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/wheres-the-epic-vault-keys/65470/103 "2020-08-18T21:59:04Z")

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> [@Goodly](#):
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> I personally understood that epic vault keys are to be 10% of the drops when a vault key is rolled from a gnome. Did I misunderstand this statement?

I know this wasn’t directed at me, but it’s come up a bit, so I thought I’d give two cents.

Since the Epic Vault Keys (EVK) aren’t supposed to affect the drop rate of regular Vault Keys (VK), if 10% of the time an EVK dropped _instead_ of a VK, that would render this first statement untrue.

> [@5.1 Update](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/5-1-update/65392/1):
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> - If a Gnome drops a Vault Key it will be either a Vault Key or Epic Vault Key, they cannot drop both.
> - Epic Vault Keys are rarer drops compared to the normal ones. (about 10%).
> - Vault Key drop rates have not been affected by this change.

Reading it again now, I can see how many people might have thought that “Vault Key drop rates have not been affected…” referred to the general class of item, including the new Epic Vault Keys, and was said to assure people that adding something good wouldn’t result in a drop rate rebalance.

- I’m actually starting to doubt myself a bit, now…

My understanding, although admittedly I don’t think the wording was super clear (_as has been mentioned – I think it could easily be misinterpreted as ‘10% rarer’ i.e. 90% of the change of a regular VK_), was that the chance for EVKs was in addition to regular VKs, and it was 10% as likely as them – so if VKs previously had a 1% chance to drop, we would now have a 1.1% chance to receive _either_ a VK or EVK – with EVKs therefore making up 9.1% of all ‘Vault Keys’, inclusive of both types.

> [@Vault Weekend data collection - for w/e 13 Sept](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/vault-weekend-data-collection-for-w-e-13-sept/65449/24):
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> if it were 1 in 11, depending on how you interpreted the 10% in the original post, the 10% could be describing 1 EVK per 10 vault keys, which is closer to 9.1% successes)

Note of course that the ‘1 in 11’ or ‘9.1%’ scenario is the better one, since it takes up a bigger portion of the Gnome pie 🤤 (i.e. ‘1.1%’ of rewards, hypothetically, instead of just ‘1%’).

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