# Where are the new vault troops?
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059
**Category:** Uncategorized
**Created:** [July 19, 2021, 10:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059 "2021-07-19T10:51:56Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@polyester](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/polyester)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/21 "2021-07-19T20:36:15Z")
75 keys so far. One Fred, one Emperor. 6 Cedrics, 16 orbs and 13 major orbs. These drop rates are so jacked up.
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/22 "2021-07-19T23:54:27Z")
Any preliminary data yet on the drop rate of band gnomes?
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### Author:  [@covertmuffin123](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/covertmuffin123)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/23 "2021-07-20T00:05:20Z")
300 keys, 0 new gnomes.
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### Author:  [@Luceo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Luceo)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/24 "2021-07-20T00:08:45Z")
Got all 4 with 85 keys š¬
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### Author:  [@covertmuffin123](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/covertmuffin123)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 12:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/25 "2021-07-20T00:16:42Z")
It probably doesnāt matter, but what difficulty were you playing on? Iām using level 40 so I can Phoenicia them down, but I may need to switch.
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### Author:  [@Luceo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Luceo)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 12:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/26 "2021-07-20T00:26:33Z")
Hard difficulty. But yeah it shouldnāt matter
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### Author:  [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/27 "2021-07-20T00:39:01Z")
The reason Iāve typically been okay-ish, or _was_ initially okay, with the high Cedric drop rate is because it means that a newer player has an easier time putting together an effective Gold-based team that can help with various bits of content and for a time was a significant part of the meta.
I did feel at the time that the most player-friendly and elegant solution there would be to keep that increased drop rate for the first copy, and then drop it to a more normal level afterwards (correspondingly bumping up the chances of other things/troops) ā if at all possible.
It may well be too tricky for the dev team, but I think itās worth at least considering now more than ever.
Of course, then thereās always the Guild Guardian approach thatās been mentioned quite a few times, and that also seems good ā Iām thinking maybe they just donāt want to effectively buff Vault rewards for people who have maxed all Vault Troops.
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 1:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/28 "2021-07-20T01:19:35Z")
The reason we are stuck with the current Cedric drop rate is due to āgem valueā of a vk. Years ago when the devs adjusted vault rewards I remember a post from Sirrian about the need for the change and he explained how they kept āgem valueā the same or something. I am heavily paraphrasing here I can only faintly remember the post. But yeah, legendary troops have a high gem value apparently.
Personally though, I would be happy for a drop in gem value of a vk if it means less Cedrics and more of the other troops.
I reckon when a troop drops itās something roughly like Cedric about 50% common gnomes 44% band gnomes 5% and the other legendarys 1%. Itās ridiculous.
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### Author:  [@bbqq](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/bbqq)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/29 "2021-07-20T03:21:38Z")
550keys š
that crazy
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### Author:  [@Stroganrog](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stroganrog)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 5:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/30 "2021-07-20T05:30:10Z")
222 keys, 0 new gnomes, still countingā¦
And they are only Epic rarity onesā¦Delighted!
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### Author:  [@renovatio](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/renovatio)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 7:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/31 "2021-07-20T07:00:16Z")
800+ and counting, still one missing
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### Author:  [@ALP](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ALP)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 9:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/32 "2021-07-20T09:29:46Z")
27 VK, 1x Baz.
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### Author:  [@kusogod](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kusogod)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 12:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/33 "2021-07-20T12:53:14Z")
That is crazyļ¼I donāt have that much vault key. I only have 121 vauly keys plus 10 epic vault keys. The drop rate of these epic gnomes are crazy!!! It is ridiculous. Not all people have that much keys. @Saltypatra
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### Author:  [@renovatio](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/renovatio)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/34 "2021-07-20T13:03:17Z")
I have 1000+, still not enough, itās a joke
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### Author:  [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/35 "2021-07-20T23:42:28Z")
115 vault, 19 epic
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### Author:  [@covertmuffin123](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/covertmuffin123)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2021, 1:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/36 "2021-07-21T01:28:00Z")
It ended up taking me just over 450 keys to get one copy of each. Got my first one on key 350.
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### Author:  [@MagiBelgr](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/MagiBelgr)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/37 "2021-07-21T01:51:53Z")
I ended up using 435 vault keys (absolutely everything I had!) and ended up with 115 vault troops, including 8 of the new ones ( incl several duplicates of course). My one and only Baz was on the 435th key.
Not really happy but also relieved.
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### Author:  [@august](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/august)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2021, 5:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/38 "2021-07-21T05:05:12Z")
470 llaves de bĆ³veda y 30 llaves Ć©picas.
1x Cindi
0x Freti
2xBaz
1xHoagui
5x Cartas del Tarot
0x orbes de poder
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### Author:  [@Maczenith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maczenith)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2021, 5:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/39 "2021-07-21T05:45:45Z")
Spare a thought for those that couldnāt play before it was nerfed through work or another reason, they only managed to acquire a fraction of some of the amounts stated in this thread and have no hope of dropping the new troops.
It should never have been nerfed, they should have rolled it back or sucked up their error and let it ride. The very least they should do now is send a copy of each troop to everyone and even then it would still have been a massively unfair event to so many considering the extra resources that come with opening hundreds and in some cases thousands of vault keys.
The event in itself was tremendous and very enjoyable even post nerf, itās just a shame a huge part of the player base only entered the barn when the horse had bolted.
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### Author:  [@ALP](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ALP)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2021, 8:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-are-the-new-vault-troops/71059/40 "2021-07-21T08:50:27Z")
Thanks for doing this. I send a request to contribute.
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