# Whats with vault keys **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [December 19, 2023, 2:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602 "2023-12-19T14:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![moobiusloop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@moobiusloop](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/moobiusloop)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 2:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/1 "2023-12-19T14:35:59Z")
so vault keys… used to be good. Since the new rotation they are not so great. anyone elso notice this? or “Working as intended?” ---
**Author:** ![RootsSeed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@RootsSeed](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RootsSeed)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 4:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/2 "2023-12-19T16:52:41Z")
Well, I use them for gems and gold and sometimes to get tarot troops so, they are the same to me. ---
**Author:** ![moobiusloop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@moobiusloop](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/moobiusloop)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 4:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/3 "2023-12-19T16:58:59Z")
i have never paid attention to thr tarrot, i pay for them when i can ---
**Author:** ![KINGOLLIE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kingollie/32/74564_2.png) [@KINGOLLIE](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KINGOLLIE)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/4 "2023-12-21T23:42:47Z")
Completely agree @moobiusloop Using Vault Keys now is useless which makes the Vault Event a complete waste of time. I grind all weekend to get 100+ Vault Keys and then when I use them all I get is Troop cards and Growth / Wisdom orbs. It is so frustrating and I really don’t enjoy playing anymore, they have ruined this once great game. They say they have not made any resent changes to Vault Keys which I think is total BS. ---
**Author:** ![moobiusloop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@moobiusloop](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/moobiusloop)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 12:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/5 "2023-12-22T00:35:21Z")
they have, out of 100 EVK i now get 0, 900 gem drops, i used to get around 3 or 4 ---
**Author:** ![KINGOLLIE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kingollie/32/74564_2.png) [@KINGOLLIE](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KINGOLLIE)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 12:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/6 "2023-12-22T00:54:12Z")
Same here @moobiusloop, I never get Gems at all with VK’s or EVK’s, It’s become boring, frustrating and a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![Stratelier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@Stratelier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stratelier)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 2:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/7 "2023-12-22T02:22:16Z")
If anyone wants to start _actually_ documenting this, feel free to start anytime. Just remember to log ALL runs you make (and what Cedric drops per run - screenshots being ideal proof). ---
**Author:** ![Nvidia100](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Nvidia100](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nvidia100)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 2:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/8 "2023-12-22T02:52:08Z")
Epic vault keys should never drop Cedric. That is the opposite of epic IMO but I digress. ---
**Author:** ![Dust\_Angel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dust_angel/32/35256_2.png) [@Dust\_Angel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dust_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 4:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/9 "2023-12-22T04:04:33Z")
If you’re really interested, I can give you over 6000 entries… Starting at the introduction of vault key difficulty levels - normal keys is black, epic keys in pink; opening dates starting at September 2022 (before it’s only the results) and you’ll have to trust that I wrote down correctly because collecting **that heap** of screenshots was never on my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Stratelier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@Stratelier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stratelier)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 6:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/10 "2023-12-22T06:04:19Z")
I may be skeptical, but I’m not _that_ skeptical. I just don’t have the supply of keys myself to make a good sample of direct observations (or necessarily contribute much to cumulative data). ---
**Author:** ![Seward101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ab097/32.png) [@Seward101](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Seward101)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 10:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/12 "2023-12-22T10:06:19Z")
![Screenshot_20231222-100305_Discord](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/a/c/acb8390ba3d0c327f29a7db5ae315d9e27fe31ad.jpeg) Thats 900 before and after. The 300 gem drops definitely decreased but still had a reasonable bump ---
**Author:** ![tarot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/848f3c/32.png) [@tarot](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/tarot)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/13 "2023-12-23T03:04:08Z")
Or they need to add some use for excess Cedrics, such as crafting 5000 writs or 50000 shards from one Cedric. ---
**Author:** ![SE7ENDEVILS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@SE7ENDEVILS](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/SE7ENDEVILS)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-with-vault-keys/82602/15 "2023-12-26T11:23:54Z")
I’ve actually had a surprising number of 300 gem drops from keys this time. I also got a 900 drop too so I can’t see any reduction in rewards here personally. I just think sometimes the game RNG can be a little cruel and it feels like you get nothing for a while. Swings and roundabouts really.