# What's the deal with Vault Keys? **URL:** \ **Category:** Support\ **Created:** [June 23, 2018, 10:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491 "2018-06-23T22:38:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WishKiller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/wishkiller/32/36914_2.png) [@WishKiller](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/WishKiller)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 10:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/1 "2018-06-23T22:38:44Z")
In the last 2 months, I have killed about 150 treasure gnomes…and absolutely ZERO vault keys…3 vault keys total since gnomes were brought in. what’s the deal? ---
**Author:** ![Astralrune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/astralrune/32/7132_2.png) [@Astralrune](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Astralrune)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/2 "2018-06-23T23:05:08Z")
Are you making the proper sacrifices to the RNG Gods? Really it’s all up to chance. I have yet to get any vault keys and I can’t even tell you how many of those gnomes I’ve killed… ---
**Author:** ![Rustiee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rustiee/32/42299_2.png) [@Rustiee](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rustiee)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/3 "2018-06-23T23:31:14Z")
I’ve done some testing in this event and as of right now I can confirm that the encounter rate for gnomes is at (roughly) 10% and the chance for vault key drop from these gnomes is also (roughly) 10% (during this event). This means you need to kill around 10 gnomes per vault key. I got 5 so far (yes, I killed over 50 gnomes and I’ve been spamming explore with sunbird/bomb team). After the event is over it’s quite hard to know the exact statistic since the drop is so rare, but until monday reset enjoy the 10% chance for gnome and 10% drop from them for vault keys. It’s worth it. ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/4 "2018-06-23T23:31:57Z")
Go to the gym and practice your vaults. I’ve heard some horsing around helps. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/5 "2018-06-23T23:37:35Z")
RNG. I’ve done around 1,200+ Explores. 3 Vault Keys. Killed 120+ Gnomes. @Rustiee 10% Vault Key drop rate, I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Rustiee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rustiee/32/42299_2.png) [@Rustiee](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rustiee)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/6 "2018-06-23T23:41:55Z")
You’re just unlucky. In theory it’s possible you’ll never even see a gnome and a vault key. Highly unlikely, but possible. It has been a consistent 10% for me. ---
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/7 "2018-06-24T00:07:18Z")
Been seeing a normal amount of both gnomes. You just have to play some to see them… ---
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 12:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/8 "2018-06-24T00:14:17Z")
In two hours I have seen at least 10 gnomes. 3 pet gnomes. Killed 1 without waiting. Lots of luck I suppose. Keep at it. They are there. I can confirm. 2 vault keys… lucky day. ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/9 "2018-06-24T00:31:01Z")
> [@Rustiee](#): > > I’ve done some testing in this event and as of right now I can confirm that the encounter rate for gnomes is at (roughly) 10% and the chance for vault key drop from these gnomes is also (roughly) 10% (during this event). This means you need to kill around 10 gnomes per vault key. > > I got 5 so far (yes, I killed over 50 gnomes and I’ve been spamming explore with sunbird/bomb team). > > After the event is over it’s quite hard to know the exact statistic since the drop is so rare, but until monday reset enjoy the 10% chance for gnome and 10% drop from them for vault keys. It’s worth it. > [@Rustiee](#): > > You’re just unlucky. In theory it’s possible you’ll never even see a gnome and a vault key. Highly unlikely, but possible. I think you’re just lucky. Its not 10% chance for a vault key ---
**Author:** ![Rustiee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rustiee/32/42299_2.png) [@Rustiee](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rustiee)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 12:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/10 "2018-06-24T00:54:42Z")
> [@Strat](#): > > > [@Rustiee](#): > > > > exact statistic since the drop is so rare, but until monday reset enjoy the 10% chance for gnome and 10% d > > . Killed 120+ Gnomes. @Rustiee 10% Vault Key drop rate, I doubt it. It’s a 10% upon a 10% of encountering a gnome. That means it’s a 1% chance to get a vault key on explore spam. I also said “roughly” and 1% for a vault key on EVENT weekend seems like a high enough drop rate for me, since we all know how GoW works. With that said, you can get unlucky and never see one during the entire event. ---
**Author:** ![WishKiller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/wishkiller/32/36914_2.png) [@WishKiller](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/WishKiller)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 5:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/11 "2018-07-05T05:53:19Z")
Defeated around 250 gnomes at this point, and still no keys. ---
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 6:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/12 "2018-07-05T06:36:46Z")
The odds of a treasure gnome dropping a vault key outside of the vault event weekend is extremely extremely rare. In 10’s of thousands of battles (no exaggeration) I’ve had only 3 drop outside of a vault event weekend. During a vault event you should get a key roughly every 130 battles. ---
**Author:** ![mld-81](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mld-81/32/63170_2.png) [@mld-81](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mld-81)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/13 "2018-07-05T19:28:51Z")
I don’t think I have ever had a vault key from a treasure gnome outside of the vault event. I think I have more chance of winning the jackpot on the Euromillions lottery this Friday 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/14 "2018-07-05T19:34:36Z")
I’d just rather not get stones or souls and I’m happy. I never expect to see a vault key. ---
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-vault-keys/41491/15 "2018-07-05T19:40:50Z")
I did get 2 pet gnomes back to back yesterday. That was new and a guildmate also had it happen today too. Needless to say he didn’t wait it out 🤣😂