# What is the max masteries one can have? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [March 30, 2016, 10:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040 "2016-03-30T10:48:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 10:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/1 "2016-03-30T10:48:18Z")
Include all bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![GemsCollector](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@GemsCollector](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GemsCollector)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/2 "2016-03-30T10:57:53Z")
Theoretically I don’t think there’s a cap - you can have pretty much any mastery bonus from the guild, it just costs very much. Realistically a bit above 160 from levels (at lvl 1000, if you advanced all masteries equally) + 40 from Kingdoms right now + 100-150 (?) from guild - around 300-350 perhaps. On the other hand if you ask about mana surge chance - there is a cap. 70% right now AFAIR. But you can’t get there (to this 70% I mean), you can just get very close. ---
**Author:** ![Zelarith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zelarith/32/1642_2.png) [@Zelarith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zelarith)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/3 "2016-03-30T12:50:00Z")
If I’m not mistaken, I remember Mr. Sammy (lvl 1000, top Steam / mobile Guild) was at 61-62% mana surge chances for every mana color (months ago). He had something like 3 times my masteries and I have a bit over 50% chances for my mana surges myself… Then again, that would leave him almost unarmed by the jinx trait while I’d loose probably around 15% surge chances (jinx cut masteries in half, not surge chances according to its description text) ---
**Author:** ![captain\_video](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@captain\_video](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/captain_video)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/4 "2016-03-30T14:37:57Z")
The mastery % is not linear, they apply the mastery points to a logarithmic curve. The theoretical limit is close to 100%, if you can get at least 100M mastery points. The practical limit for the points available in the game is about 2/3, i.e. 67%. ---
**Author:** ![GemsCollector](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@GemsCollector](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GemsCollector)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/5 "2016-03-30T15:52:44Z")
> [@captain\_video](#): > > The theoretical limit is close to 100% No, at least if @Tacet was right here: > [@Change to the Mastery math?](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/change-to-the-mastery-math/4123/3): > > Found it: CHANCE = (LIMIT \* MASTERY) / (MASTERY + DECAY) New: LIMIT = 0.73 & DECAY = 62 Old: LIMIT = 1 & DECAY = 100 I was mistaken about this 70% cap, but close 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Macawi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/macawi/32/21289_2.png) [@Macawi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Macawi)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/6 "2016-03-30T16:03:15Z")
> [@GemsCollector](#): > > I was mistaken about this 70% cap, but close 🙂 I think the max is 60% now. I’m at 58% but my fellow guild mates that are level 1000 say that theirs is 60% ---
**Author:** ![MaHo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4da419/32.png) [@MaHo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/MaHo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/7 "2016-03-30T16:29:55Z")
I am at 61% ---
**Author:** ![Macawi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/macawi/32/21289_2.png) [@Macawi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Macawi)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/8 "2016-03-30T16:32:52Z")
I stand corrected then, it’s 61% 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GemsCollector](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@GemsCollector](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GemsCollector)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/9 "2016-03-30T16:38:17Z")
> [@Macawi](#): > > I think the max is 60% now Well, it goes up really slowly. If you look at the graph, at 200 Mastery you have over 55%, but to go above 60% you need almost 300 Mastery. And at 1000 you’d still be considerably below 70% (at 68.74% exactly) - so I guess they haven’t changed it. Although only devs can confirm or deny it for sure 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kzintiwife](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kzintiwife/32/2350_2.png) [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/10 "2016-03-30T16:40:02Z")
lvl 774 here, and masteries are in the 170 to 200 range, and at 53% to 55%. hope that helps. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Macawi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/macawi/32/21289_2.png) [@Macawi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Macawi)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/11 "2016-03-30T16:44:42Z")
> [@GemsCollector](#): > > so I guess they haven’t changed it. Although only devs can confirm or deny it for sure 🙂 It would be interesting to know the absolute max mana surge % that one could possibly get. ---
**Author:** ![kzintiwife](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kzintiwife/32/2350_2.png) [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/12 "2016-03-30T16:48:48Z")
> [@Macawi](#): > > It would be interesting to know the absolute max mana surge % that one could possibly get. using math (lim m-\> infinity) – you get .73 or 73%. Love that math 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/13 "2016-03-30T18:24:53Z")
The realistic “max” anyone can have in this game is 69%. The amount of masteries needed to get even 1% above that is in the thousands. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/14 "2016-03-30T19:46:30Z")
Using my math methods which are rather bad i came to a result that maximum mana surge chance can go up to 234,07% giving triple mana and an extra turn on 3 gems match. My methods may be bad, but the results are awesome! ---
**Author:** ![Nex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nex/32/3107_2.png) [@Nex](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nex)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/15 "2016-03-30T23:05:17Z")
> [@DonBoba](#): > > My methods may be bad, but the results are awesome! Your optimism is admirable. ---
**Author:** ![Mufasha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mufasha/32/1327_2.png) [@Mufasha](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mufasha)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/16 "2016-03-30T23:07:39Z")
The Also you forgot to use a logarithm ---
**Author:** ![collectorofgems](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/collectorofgems/32/38138_2.png) [@collectorofgems](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/collectorofgems)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/what-is-the-max-masteries-one-can-have/5040/17 "2016-03-31T00:45:50Z")
I had asked about this topic myself in that thread @GemsCollector posted. The graph they show shows a sharp rise at the beginning but then it levels off after about a numerical value of 60 to 70 (not the percentage). Mine are all at 97 - 98 and my percentages are 54 to 56%. Once you hit a certain value the diminishing returns law kicks in and there isn’t much improvement.