# Welcome to Nimhain's Lair: May 21st **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [May 21, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478 "2017-05-21T14:30:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![captain\_video](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@captain\_video](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/captain_video)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/143 "2017-05-23T20:58:22Z")
If this is your lair, where is your sofa? I would like to watch some Classic Dr Who. ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/144 "2017-05-23T21:55:05Z")
82 likes? Holy smokes. Great to see some developer updates. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/145 "2017-05-23T21:57:05Z")
And great to see you jumping in 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sidousai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sidousai/32/604_2.png) [@Sidousai](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sidousai)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/146 "2017-05-24T04:36:02Z")
How about Stonehammer? Any plans on making adjustment for him? ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/147 "2017-05-24T06:38:54Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#): > > You guys noticed a difference about Famine nerf? Zero difference. Plenty of Famines appearing on PvP defences. Still rarely a threat on defence teams in regular PvP. Still strong and useful in a few invade teams of mine. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/148 "2017-05-24T06:49:34Z")
I think this will be the 1st post to 100 likes, unless I am forgetting one. Not even the top 50 Guild League Table History has 100 surprisingly (currently 88). ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:59am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/149 "2017-05-24T06:59:35Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#): > > So what is the verdit? You guys noticed a difference about Famine nerf? Or you feel like it is exactly the same? Nope no difference. In GW today I drained a Famine and the very next turn he went from 0 mana to 22 and one shotted one of my troops. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 8:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/150 "2017-05-24T08:54:56Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#): > > You guys noticed a difference about Famine nerf? I’m not feeling a big difference yet but I haven’t played _much_. I did see that one that had 21/22 mana but I think I would have killed it if it had 20/20 as well. ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/151 "2017-05-24T16:21:05Z")
So 1 person said it was a HUGE different and everyone else said they didin’t notice any difference. Maybe dev will consider to change it again we never know ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/152 "2017-05-24T16:29:15Z")
For me, the biggest (if not only) problem is how often he’s being used in PVP/GW defenses. In GW, I fought 6 of them in 5 battles. I’ve seen a dozen more in PVP already this morning. Based on that, it’s obviously an inconsequential change and needs to be looked at again. ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/154 "2017-05-24T16:34:42Z")
In my 5 GW fights I faced 6 of them as well (0 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 1). Not once did any of them hit 20 or 21 mana and not reach 22 in the same turn, so the cost change made 0 difference. Furthermore I filled mine on turn 1 in two matches thanks to a good board and a mercy cast. I think 24 or 25 would be a much better cost. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Unforgiven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/the_unforgiven/32/24199_2.png) [@The\_Unforgiven](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/The_Unforgiven)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/155 "2017-05-24T16:35:25Z")
The main nerf is the change to Mana Shield… that mana cost increase is beyond insignificant when he is commonly paired with Gorgotha or Dragon Soul. The concept of destroying so many other troops just to provide a mild nerf to Famine is really poor. There are other options, e.g. having Famine drain a maximum of 2 troops. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/156 "2017-05-24T16:38:34Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#): > > Maybe dev will consider to change it again we never know Well, the Devs should move on and now consider to change other troops, I do be surprised if they even give this thread the smallest attention. Famine was fine before the Nerf, and he is somewhat okay still. I always need one more yellow match when using him, annoyingly. Also its super easy to take it down as before, as it gives my 8-13 mana cost mana drainers troops still no competition to fill up before Famine. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Unforgiven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/the_unforgiven/32/24199_2.png) [@The\_Unforgiven](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/The_Unforgiven)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/157 "2017-05-24T16:43:59Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > Well, the Devs should move on and now consider to change other troops, I do be surprised if they even give this thread the smallest attention. Famine was fine before the Nerf, and he is somewhat okay still. I would imagine you are in the minority with that opinion. In fact, the above is quite preposterous. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/158 "2017-05-24T16:44:59Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > Famine was fine before the Nerf, and he is somewhat okay still Well that is an interesting way to describe a troop that is objectively at the very least in the top3 of the most powerful troops in the game and arguably even the number 1. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/159 "2017-05-24T16:49:05Z")
> [@The\_Unforgiven](#): > > I would imagine you are in the minority with that opinion. In fact, the above is quite preposterous. Then I am also in the minority that uses a low cost mana drainer troop against Famine teams. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Unforgiven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/the_unforgiven/32/24199_2.png) [@The\_Unforgiven](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/The_Unforgiven)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/160 "2017-05-24T16:50:22Z")
My issue with Famine is that it’s not enjoyable to use but it is a pain to face. The antithesis of Gards Avatar. That is never a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/161 "2017-05-24T16:53:08Z")
Opinions vary brudda ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/162 "2017-05-24T16:53:17Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > Then I am also in the minority that uses a low cost mana drainer troop against Famine teams. No almost everyone does that, cause there **isn’t really a way around that**. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/163 "2017-05-24T16:54:10Z")
It works for me 9/10 times. Why should it not work for others??? [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478.md?page=7) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478.md?page=9)