# We want real PVP, not AI! **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [June 16, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681 "2017-06-16T14:55:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tache/32/26393_2.png) [@Tache](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tache)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/1 "2017-06-16T14:55:01Z")
Hey developer! Why you say PVP when really it is PVE (or PVAi) this is a lie to players - many will be furious if they discovered it is Ai and not player. When will you develop real player vs player ? The Ai is such dumb one with mistakes I win every time and it gets boring. We need to challenge players to real match and see who is truly the best player. Please make GOW more like Heartthstone. All my guild agrees this. ---
**Author:** ![lukier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lukier/32/19313_2.png) [@lukier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/lukier)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/2 "2017-06-16T15:15:30Z")
- 1st player advantage is too big at this point - many looping mechanisms that you can barely counter but i would like to see PVP arena first to make up my mind ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/3 "2017-06-16T15:21:41Z")
I hope to never see real time PVP added to the game. Guild Wars is already a sufficient waste of resources thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/4 "2017-06-16T15:28:18Z")
There are several players that wish for real time pvp (right until the day it will be introduced, when they all will say “ah f\*\*\* that! Give me the AI, i need to let of some steam from being 1-turned all day by real players”). However i don’t think there are many players that haven’t realized that there is no real life pvp in the game right now though, you might be one of the special snowflakes. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/5 "2017-06-16T15:29:02Z")
I think real time PvP will never come. And thats for the best. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Esoxnepa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esoxnepa/32/1837_2.png) [@Esoxnepa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Esoxnepa)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 3:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/6 "2017-06-16T15:56:41Z")
I don’t want to see Real-time PvP. I always hated trying to play chess over the internet, worrying about timers and disconnects. ---
**Author:** ![Azbra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/azbra/32/23589_2.png) [@Azbra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Azbra)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/7 "2017-06-16T15:59:26Z")
Real time PVP over lan, why not. Is it worth the investment? Probably not. @cymris got me to try yatzee online with realtime games, whenever things started to go south, players would either disconnect or play very slowly to the point you wanted to concede and forget about it. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/8 "2017-06-16T16:03:57Z")
> [@Azbra](#): > > players would either disconnect or play very slowly to the point you wanted to concede and forget about it This is the reason that true pvp should never be introduced to GoW and anyone who suggests otherwise should be censured ---
**Author:** ![brandonwiker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/brandonwiker/32/14837_2.png) [@brandonwiker](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/brandonwiker)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/9 "2017-06-16T16:16:05Z")
Did you guys ever play puzzle quest pvp? You could set timers, I can’t remember 100% for sure, but I believe you could have 15, 8, and 4 second timers. The bigger issue would be balancing: who gets first turn, infinite loop teams, and perhaps some empowered troops. I still would like to see live pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Azbra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/azbra/32/23589_2.png) [@Azbra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Azbra)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/10 "2017-06-16T16:21:10Z")
> [@Vangor](#): > > should be censured People can express their views but it does not mean that they are right 🙂[quote=“brandonwiker, post:9, topic:25681”] I still would like to see live pvp. [/quote] Over LAN I think would be ok. Honestly install that Yatzee app for a second and play couple of games, I would have thought the same as you even I did not have that experience. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/11 "2017-06-16T16:23:37Z")
> [@Azbra](#): > > People can express their views Agreed… And i expressed mine ---
**Author:** ![Azbra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/azbra/32/23589_2.png) [@Azbra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Azbra)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/12 "2017-06-16T16:24:34Z")
HAHA … 10 characters ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/13 "2017-06-16T16:25:21Z")
Lol 10 characters ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/14 "2017-06-16T16:26:52Z")
In one of the many, many threads we’ve had regarding real-time PvP: The changes required to the core game infrastructure are very large. Among other things, the board state would need to be pushed to the server and the “truth” be kept there. In addition to the many balancing and anti-griefing changes that would need to take place, the core engine would require revamping. > [@Real Time PvP vs AI Controlled PvP](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/real-time-pvp-vs-ai-controlled-pvp/7197/25): > > You can tell just from where the spinners show up in-game right now that once a match starts, the game plays entirely locally until one side wins. If you’re on mobile, you can start a match, then enter Airplane Mode (or a parking garage) and play uninterrupted until the victory screen. This would all have to change in live PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Azbra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/azbra/32/23589_2.png) [@Azbra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Azbra)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/15 "2017-06-16T16:31:27Z")
Agreed for the infrastructure, though you could have a P2P connection and one being the host, the other being the guest. PVP could also be 2 players facing the same team and see who is beating them the fastest, least amount of rounds, etc… But probably not what the OP wanted. I guess he was after a way of determining who’s paying for the next round of beers. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/16 "2017-06-16T20:06:49Z")
I’m still in favor of real time PvP at minimum for the capability to be able to battle friends with the SOON TM (1+ years later) friends list button. Could also make at least one minigame where it could be a co-op with someone or something, maybe for a boss battle of some kind. PP vs AI would likely be enough for everyone that wants PvP. ---
**Author:** ![ZooKeeper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zookeeper/32/30875_2.png) [@ZooKeeper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ZooKeeper)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/17 "2017-06-16T20:23:26Z")
> [@Tache](#): > > Why you say PVP when really it is PVE (or PVAi) this is a lie to players Lie? Why would you think that PvP in this game is Player versus Player? It was Player versus Princess. Now it’s Player versus Psion. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/18 "2017-06-16T20:41:05Z")
Or player vs phamine ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/19 "2017-06-16T20:43:55Z")
I’d be ‘ok’ with PvP **_AFTER_** the developers both implement and use a system to balance the troops more often than every other month. ---
**Author:** ![Amadan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amadan/32/7653_2.png) [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2017, 12:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681/20 "2017-06-17T00:31:09Z")
Asynchronous PVP like we have now still allows most people to win most games, which is fun for everyone. As soon as you have synchronous PVP, someone loses every game (by definition!), which would be a _radically_ different game than what Gems is now. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/we-want-real-pvp-not-ai/25681.md?page=2)