# Void Wisp's mana steal is ineffective against Mana Drain immunity **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [February 3, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/void-wisps-mana-steal-is-ineffective-against-mana-drain-immunity/74052 "2022-02-03T21:48:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/void-wisps-mana-steal-is-ineffective-against-mana-drain-immunity/74052/1 "2022-02-03T21:48:48Z")
**Platform, device version and operating system:** Mobile/Android ![IMG_20220204_081409](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/8/d/8d47b31761365bd756cf31c0bd00a86b7404a4d0.jpeg) **Screenshot or image:** ![IMG_20220204_081602](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/a/1/a17092d16326508d7549145daf5c36d93ff4b539.jpeg) ![IMG_20220204_081218](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/b/d/bd0a74c44f43ccb9095fb17007254c7efdf4a2b3.jpeg) ![IMG_20220204_080901](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/6/46ba6e48c8ed12ce81947f03fa453a58103661c6.jpeg) Note this separate trait (not on targeted troop): ![IMG_20220204_081042](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/6/46ca5ca035b766a7b4fed0ad869ea65a5a99085a.jpeg) **What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened:** Was expecting Void Wisp’s mana steal ability to reduce enemy’s mana and increase own mana by relevant amount (4). No change in mana levels occurred. Also, enemy’s Dark Ancestry trait flashed, indicating a trigger. **How often does this happen? When did it begin happening?** - Replicated once in Challenge battle subsequently - Noticed just prior to this post **Steps to make it happen again** 1. Use Void Wisp’s ability against a troop with immunity to Dark Ancestry or immunity to Mana _Drain_ - e.g. Dark Maiden, Tal’Rae - ensure said troop has mana available to be stolen * * * **Notes:** Dark Ancestry confers immunity to Mana Drain, however a separate and specific immunity to Mana _Steal_ exists. My assumption is that immunity to Mana Drain would not render the Mana Shield trait completely unnecessary/obselete, as this would make recent troop Wu Hao’s choice of third trait even more confusing: ![IMG_20220204_090450](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/1/2/12bf052790972a95a10649e1083dfb2d1a83f015.jpeg) > [@The Oracle Knight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-oracle-knight/74005/22): > > Chased this up with the team in regards to Wu Hao’s traits, and they are as intended! ✨ My speculation is one or more of the following: - Mana Drain incorrectly also gives immunity to Mana Steal - Void Wisp’s ability is incorrectly configured as a Mana Drain, rather than a steal ![IMG_20220204_084210](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/9/e91a5534d4d34ff051daf951e19895344561a2ee.jpeg) (screenshot taken after casting MW on Dark Maiden) ![IMG_20220204_084320](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/5/4/5413002d31d7ccd79a15550a375e528a55d864a4.jpeg) - Dark Ancestry is configured incorrectly to give immunity to more than just Mana Drain - Mana Steal is (previously unbeknownst) a strictly inferior immunity to Mana Drain, and the text ‘Mana Steal’ can be removed from the Mana Shield trait as it would be covered by the Mana Drain immunity [seems unlikely] ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 11:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/void-wisps-mana-steal-is-ineffective-against-mana-drain-immunity/74052/2 "2022-02-04T11:13:28Z")
> [@Jonathan](#): > > Mana Steal is (previously unbeknownst) a strictly inferior immunity to Mana Drain, and the text ‘Mana Steal’ can be removed from the Mana Shield trait as it would be covered by the Mana Drain immunity [seems unlikely] As much as I recall it always behaved like this. Stealing mana is handled as draining mana, then adding the drained amount to your troop, so it gets blocked by Mana Drain immunity. Trait description in Gems of War tend to be somewhat iffy, just look at Impervious and the special mention of Lycanthropy. Opening a bug report for this kind of issue is a waste of time, all of the past ones got ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 8:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/void-wisps-mana-steal-is-ineffective-against-mana-drain-immunity/74052/3 "2022-02-05T08:47:16Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#): > > Stealing mana is handled as draining mana, then adding the drained amount to your troop, so it gets blocked by Mana Drain immunity. It seems you’re right! Decided to test 2 other Mana Steal troops just now, against both Dark and High Ancestry (neither of which say Immune to Mana Steal) as well as Invulnerable (assuming MS is not a status effect). 2 other troops were Ghost Queen and Sir Mordayne. Tested against troops in Explore in Zhul’Kari and Silverglade, as well as my own PvP Defence for E. Kurandara. Unfortunately, none of these combinations resulted in Mana being stolen, with all attempts triggering the relevant trait. Despite the devs’ best intentions to give Wu Hao a usable third trait, it is currently in fact completely superfluous, due to this (what we must assume is a) bug. It would appear all immunity to Mana Drain traits also give immunity to Mana Steal.