# Victory talisman not doubling VP?
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-talisman-not-doubling-vp/84981
**Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback
**Created:** [August 21, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-talisman-not-doubling-vp/84981 "2024-08-21T14:37:51Z")
**Posts on this page:** 5
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### Author:  [@Tresk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tresk)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-talisman-not-doubling-vp/84981/1 "2024-08-21T14:37:51Z")
Edit: Not a bug I guess. But, I would love it to work the way I expected it to haha. So call it a feature request. š
**Platform, device version and operating system:**
PC/Steam
**Screenshot or image:**
**What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened:**
I was expecting to receive double the amount of blood frenzy VP for a battle when using a victory talisman versus not using it.
For example:
Base VP of 90 + battle bonuses of 28 = 118 VP
118 VP x 2 (Bloodfrenzy bonus) = 236 VP
236 VP x 2 (Victory talisman) = 472 VP
What happens in a blood frenzy zone when you use a victory talisman is the talisman ignores the blood frenzy bonus and just doubles the normal VP and then it is added to the bloodfrenzy bonus.
For example:
Base VP of 90 + battle bonuses of 28 = 118 VP
118 VP + 118VP (bloodfrenzy) + 118 VP (Victory talisman)
**How often does this happen? When did it begin happening?**
Always
**Steps to make it happen again**
Use a victory talisman in any bloodfrenzy zone.
I am not sure if this is a bug, or intentional. I just have memories of scores above 400 and that is no longer possible. Maybe I dreamed it. heh
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### Author:  [@Hayabusa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hayabusa)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2024, 2:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-talisman-not-doubling-vp/84981/2 "2024-08-21T14:59:00Z")
Working as intended. The bonus always referred to the base VP. And that is absolutely based on your player level. I assume you recently hit a specific level and entered the realm of low VP, just like all (late-mid and) end gamers.
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### Author:  [@Borjay](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Borjay)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2024, 3:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-talisman-not-doubling-vp/84981/3 "2024-08-21T15:36:27Z")
Unfortunately, thatās how it works.
[https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/7-4-update-pillars-of-light/83472](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/7-4-update-pillars-of-light/83472)
[https://gemsofwar.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/8479363233423-PvP-Regions](https://gemsofwar.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/8479363233423-PvP-Regions)
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### Author:  [@Tresk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tresk)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-talisman-not-doubling-vp/84981/4 "2024-08-21T20:05:06Z")
> [@Hayabusa](#):
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> I assume you recently hit a specific level and entered the realm of low VP, just like all (late-mid and) end gamers.
Well no. lol You assumed wrong. Iāve been in low VP land the entire time of the new pvp. I just never bothered too much using any talismans. Not often, anyway. Not worth turning them on for the one max VP battle I see every third lunar eclipse.
I think Iām just remembering someoneās post about āimpossibleā VP totals that would need 400+VP per battle. Memory hiccup. š¤·āāļø
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### Author:  [@Tresk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tresk)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-talisman-not-doubling-vp/84981/5 "2024-08-21T20:07:08Z")
Thanks, I should have known they would implement them in the dumbest way possible. lol Back to the not worth the trouble pile with them. š š¤£