# Victory points and banned accounts being botted?
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150
**Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback
**Created:** [September 3, 2026, 11:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150 "2026-09-03T23:20:37Z")
**Posts on this page:** 13
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2026, 11:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/1 "2026-09-03T23:20:38Z")
Originally I was going to rant about victory points being ridiculously low the more time goes on. I assume it is due to authorized botted being designed on the old kingdom level power scale rather than the new one. But this image makes me think that the devs use inactive accounts (or even banned ones) and use those to fill the increasingly lower PVP pool. If this player just added this to their player name then hats off for the great troll. But my point remains, why do I have to pvp 3 times as much because Gems of War is losing players in droves?
Shouldn’t those who still play be rewarded instead of punished for longevity? It feels like everything in the world has been inflated economy wise the past 2 years. But somehow victory points are immune?!?
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### Author:  [@Jeto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jeto)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2026, 11:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/2 "2026-09-03T23:48:26Z")
We have updated matchmaking in 9.4, which will make some of the suggested opponents better, with potentially more changes in a future update as I’ve been passing on a lot of feedback around players at lvl 1,500+ not having valuable VP opponents.
Which would address the core of this feedback, which is, you don’t have opponents that offer a valuable amount of VP if you are a high level player.
But PvP has always pulled players from the entire database, including accounts that are suspended.
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### Author:  [@Stratelier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stratelier)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2026, 12:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/3 "2026-09-04T00:01:32Z")
> [@Jeto](#):
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> as I’ve been passing on a lot of feedback around players at lvl 1,500+ not having valuable VP opponents.
Does this include how these critiques started SPECIFICALLY when they adjusted VP to scale inversely to your Hero Level?
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### Author:  [@Jeto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jeto)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2026, 12:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/4 "2026-09-04T00:04:09Z")
Yes, it been shared ongoing, from PvP being updated, then through any and all changes since then.
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### Author:  [@Snarko](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snarko)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2026, 4:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/5 "2026-09-04T04:39:16Z")
> [@Jeto](#):
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> But PvP has always pulled players from the entire database, including accounts that are suspended.
There are two types of players that are chosen. Those who have played the restriction and the placeholder accounts. The placeholder accounts are a set number of accounts, seemingly all inactive, who has random troops (and sometimes random weapon) picked.
The placeholders are necessary. Imagine being the first person to fight in a new restriction on a Monday. Who do you face? A placeholder account, since there is nobody else to face yet. The rest of the week we should not face them (much). However something changed in December last year. Since then we have been facing the placeholder accounts way more. Every day of the week.
Personally I don’t care. On average they give less VP but they’re a free quick win. The VP per hour doesn’t change much (for me).
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### Author:  [@Hayabusa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hayabusa)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2026, 5:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/6 "2026-09-04T05:14:40Z")
Since the last change PvP finally is fun because of the “placeholder teams”. Once they’re gone, PvP is pointless again and a waste of time like it used to be. Better to play explore 16 all day instead of PvP …
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### Author:  [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2026, 8:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/7 "2026-09-04T08:45:14Z")
> [@Hayabusa](#):
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> Since the last change PvP finally is fun because of the “placeholder teams”. Once they’re gone, PvP is pointless again and a waste of time like it used to be. Better to play explore 16 all day instead of PvP …
Well, there’s also the issue that PvP no longer has a carrot to encourage players going there. It used to be gold marks for kingdom progression, which got removed entirely. There’s still the season pass, it takes way too much effort, you need to pay up to get anything significant out of it. And they finally fixed the bug that doubled the burning marks payout, so from player perspective the only useful reward left just got halved on top. Dead content, by design.
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### Author:  [@Kezef](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kezef)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2026, 11:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/8 "2026-09-04T11:57:53Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#):
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> It used to be gold marks for kingdom progression, which got removed entirely.
If you do your gold mark battles every day, you can accumulate gold marks at a healthy enough pace to purchase an awful lot of shiny keys. If you’re in a top-achieving guild in addition to that, you can do that and still have sufficient gold marks to purchase the seasonal PvP mythic.
It’s not quite the same as purchasing Books of Deeds for direct kingdom progression, but it helps. And it’s a way to accumulate those extra resources without having to dedicate too much time and effort even if you are a F2P player.
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### Author:  [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2026, 12:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/9 "2026-09-04T12:36:19Z")
> [@Kezef](#):
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> If you do your gold mark battles every day, you can accumulate gold marks at a healthy enough pace to purchase an awful lot of shiny keys. If you’re in a top-achieving guild in addition to that, you can do that and still have sufficient gold marks to purchase the seasonal PvP mythic.
That’s somewhat similar to farming gems in Treasure Hunt. It’s possible to do it, next to nobody is deperate enough.
> [@Kezef](#):
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> It’s not quite the same as purchasing Books of Deeds for direct kingdom progression, but it helps.
It doesn’t help. At least not for those 99.9% of players that aren’t interested in leading the unofficial top 10 of kingdom progression. Shiny keys would probably need several reworks to even remotely qualify as real game content. The effect they provide is insignificant, the control players have over shiny tokens is beyond frustrating, the one-time kingdom xp boost for reaching specific milestones can safely be ignored.
To elaborate on that last part, it is more efficient to farm Treasure Hunt for gems and Arena for kingdom xp offers to spend those gems on than to engage with the PvP shiny key system. And that’s not even taking into account you first need to collect 80k VP each season prior to even be allowed to participate.
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### Author:  [@Febby](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Febby)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2026, 1:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/10 "2026-09-04T13:26:44Z")
I agree with everything Fourdottwoone said.
You need to basically spend 420 Gold Marks _ **weekly** _ if you purchase Shiny Keys offers everyday for a total of 21 Keys per week. 20 GM per key it’s definitely too much for a feature that does so little in kingdom progression.
Another thing about Shiny Keys is that now a _ **single** _ shiny troop to reach level 3 requires a whopping 35 tokens (and _ **2** _ troops are being added _ **weekly** _ if i am not mistaken), again totally unsustainable system even for paying players.
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### Author:  [@Risa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Risa)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2026, 4:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/11 "2026-09-04T16:54:21Z")
It is one epic or ur troop every week, plus one legendary every guild war, plus one mythic every campaign.
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### Author:  [@NoMore](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NoMore)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2026, 12:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/12 "2026-09-05T00:09:33Z")
VP should be a fixed amount. It’s silly to get 120 on 1 battle and then 300 on the next. Why, no good reason.
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### Author:  [@Zuul-Emo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zuul-Emo)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2026, 5:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/victory-points-and-banned-accounts-being-botted/90150/13 "2026-09-05T05:03:06Z")
It’s based on stuff you do inside the battle, as well as the base amount (which should be fixed, in three amounts, in my opinion, but isn’t). So, if you finish the battle faster, or don’t lose any troops, or get lots of extra turns, you’ll score more VP.
So, it’s no good reason why the base amounts are so wonky, but the final amount makes sense.