# Updated Mab in PvP graphs

**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)
**Created:** [May 27, 2016, 7:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504 "2016-05-27T07:29:11Z")
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### Author: ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/69 "2016-05-27T16:57:36Z")

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> [@yonizaf](#):
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> ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/6/60dfdbf67bd656ca9b77bde6e2616461012e561c.jpg)

I think – and have said elsewhere – that the game is subtracting PVP points when your defense team _wins_. Look at those same three players you mentioned, all with similar win counts and points. The lower level player has radically more defense wins than the two 1000+ players. If I am right, then they would have subtracted off a lot of points from his/her total, and that same number of wins should be hundreds of points higher.

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