# Updated Mab in PvP graphs **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [May 27, 2016, 7:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504 "2016-05-27T07:29:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 7:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/141 "2016-06-02T07:00:35Z")
@Jainus I’m level 350, I handle Gorgotha just fine, I just experimented using my skull spam team cause I thought it can get there, Yellow/yellow banner Infernal King (1) Seggra (1) Mercy (3) Star Gazer (3) Thanks @Tacet for displaying this team in his 1.9 video For Gorgotha I usually use a Green Spider loop with Boar Rider in back and Hero with Mang using a fully traited archer ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 7:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/142 "2016-06-02T07:02:55Z")
I do have Maw fully traited too but since I am not one with the bag, I never have the combo on defend (actually I never invade with it either lol) ---
**Author:** ![Pasa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@Pasa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Pasa)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 9:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/143 "2016-06-02T09:30:22Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > There are a bunch of people experimenting, but Maw is king. Mo, Sir, king is King and Maw is maw. And they RULE together. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 10:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/144 "2016-06-02T10:58:09Z")
@Cell I’m not sure what you’re doing wrong, I face Gorgotha all the time with my skull spam team, and I always win, usually quite fast. Maybe you were just unlucky that one time? ---
**Author:** ![ZeZign](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zezign/32/13752_2.png) [@ZeZign](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ZeZign)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 11:59am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/145 "2016-06-02T11:59:49Z")
I refuse to put Maw in Def. I currently have a lot of Def wins. Maybe because folks don’t use boring Maw teams against me. ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/146 "2016-06-02T14:35:51Z")
This Gorgotha team also had 2 Queen Mab’s Dropping the turn with 6+ 4+of a kind skull matches on the board, I don’t recommend it ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/147 "2016-06-02T14:45:55Z")
Oh, that one. I did fight (and win) against it once, but it’s indeed more prone to an unlucky end. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/148 "2016-06-02T14:56:37Z")
I don’t even HAVE Maw yet (level 260, newer player) and my PVP percentage is hovering around 90% (and was before the 2.0 update too). ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/149 "2016-06-02T16:20:16Z")
I hunted down the same enemy on the leaderboards to obtain some “peice of mind” I did end up beating him and the only rewards I got the 2nd time around was about 70 gold and a map I used the loop team the 2nd time ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/150 "2016-06-02T17:20:09Z")
A special mention for an enemy I invaded the other day, who boasted Psion and Mab together on defence… Wins this month’s gibbering fool award… ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/151 "2016-06-02T19:54:36Z")
That was probable nex, i think i remember him saying he wanted to do that. However not sure if he is strictly console though. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 8:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/152 "2016-06-08T08:23:23Z")
Hello all… So I updated my graphs for today’s 50 pvp draws so far… and added some columns to track IK, Mab and Gorgotha too… Verdict is: - two trophy matches were far more varied, with a big rise in Goblins… (not that I did any of the two trophy matches) - Mercy still dominates the three trophy matches - 58% of teams offered - slight decline in Maws, but still a third of battles were the Maw/Mercy trollcombo - New entry Queen Mab in at 22% of three trophy teams (often with Mercy and Valkyrie) - Gorgotha and IK are popular as ever - so evolving the picture a bit… at least the M&M trollcombo wasn’t ubiquitous today In case anyone is interested, I lost just one of those 50 three trophy invades… against @eika’s M&M trollteam, when Mercy and RNG charged the Maw on the second turn and some 15% hungering soon followed… ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/2/2ee8f7ec87ec3c0a0ab7113c9ce4dceff89cd8dd.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Teddy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/teddy/32/2534_2.png) [@Teddy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Teddy)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 9:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/153 "2016-06-08T09:13:15Z")
True damage being crimson bat… what is IK? ---
**Author:** ![MarvelKit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/marvelkit/32/7072_2.png) [@MarvelKit](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/MarvelKit)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 9:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/154 "2016-06-08T09:16:13Z")
Infernal King ---
**Author:** ![Teddy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/teddy/32/2534_2.png) [@Teddy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Teddy)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 9:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/155 "2016-06-08T09:17:08Z")
I still havent ran into a Maw team… Wat are people going? Obviously Maw and mercy, what else? ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 11:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/156 "2016-06-08T11:32:36Z")
The charts show the incidence of specific troops or team designs, but not actual unique teams. I.e. Maw/Mercy/IK/Sheggra, and Maw/Maw/IK/Mercy, and Maw/IK/Alchemist/Mercy, would all get treated the same, with a score for: - Maw - Mercy - M&M - IK …you’ll notice the points add up to much more than 100% - this _isn’t_ a distribution of enemy actual teams, but the frequency of meta troops appearing before me. From left to right, the bars show: - Dragons - 3 or more Dragon troops, usually this is Venoxia/Celestasia/Sheggra/BoneDragon in some order, sometimes Borealis… if there are 3 Dragons, there is often a Gorgotha on the front - Goblins - 3 or more Zaejin troops, usually 4 from Goblin/Hobgoblin/BoarRider/GobShaman/Rocket, occasionally a GoblinKing… occasionally see 3 Goblins plus Gorgotha or Webspinner - Gorgotha - how many teams have a Gorgotha in, usually on the front - QueenMab - how many teams have a QueenMab in, often in pairs, always with a Valkyrie - TrueDamage - a true damage theme team using 2-3 of CrimsonBat/Psion/Crescendo/Marilith/Venoxia, normally has a Gorgotha on the front - IK - how many teams have an Infernal King, usually appears with Mercy, often with Sheggra - Maw - troll Great Maws, usually on the front, often with IK or BoneDragon - Mercy - how many teams feature the ubiquitious empowered yellow maker - usually used to fuel Maw or IK or both - M&M - the Maw/Mercy trollcombo that can beat you with pure rng now and then, whatever your team and skill level is - the most comm And that seems to me to be our current meta… Other commonly seen troops that I am not tracking here (less common to me, at least): - BoneDragon - RockWorms (more common on one trophy fights) - Alchemist / GiantSpider / Valkyrie as support troops If anyone is seeing proliferation of something I haven’t listed please do comment. ---
**Author:** ![Mitheithel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mitheithel/32/2352_2.png) [@Mitheithel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mitheithel)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/157 "2016-06-09T15:49:32Z")
I’m actually seeing a lot of Knight Coronet around, mostly in combo with Mercy and/or Valkyrie and something else. The teams vary a fair amount, I’m not seeing much consistency besides KC himself and either Valk or Mercy. But they’re around. (At least at the ~300 level range) ---
**Author:** ![Brakkish](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/brakkish/32/24058_2.png) [@Brakkish](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Brakkish)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/158 "2016-06-09T16:11:53Z")
I’ve seen more Jarls this week too, especially paired with Mab. They make a nice ice and fire combo on four gem matches. I personally switched from dragons to Mercy/Maw as a kneejerk reaction to huge defense point losses earlier in the week. But I’ve been experimenting with some other teams since then. With -20 points every few minutes, I wasn’t willing to take any chances. But -5 points every 10 minutes makes the risk of changing up my defense a little more acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![therealwetwilly](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/therealwetwilly/32/4178_2.png) [@therealwetwilly](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/therealwetwilly)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/159 "2016-06-10T15:47:29Z")
for level 115 player: - lots of goblins (boarrider, gob-sham, hobgoblin, rocket, some nobends aswell) - lots of untraited or one-trait IK, jarl, cb, venoxia, gloom leaf - almost no gorgotha, webspinner - lots of fully traited knight teams: coronet, wolf, lance, griffon, templar - lots of support in the form of giant spider, green seer, valk, dryad - lots of golem/deep borer, rockwormx2, acolyte - suprisingly some teams with dust devil who take out the front tank instantly - lots of teams with rowanne, grave knight, revenant, skeleton, druid, marilith, siren, chimera ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/160 "2016-06-13T19:04:32Z")
Hi all… I have updated graphs for today’s PVP games… here are my rather depressing results… (as usual, this is from 50 matches/draws, being 100 teams offered for battle for me… I always take the three trophy battles, mind…) - Queen Mab has soared into appearing in 48% of 3 trophy games offered - Gorgotha has also shot up in popularity, usually on the front of the Mab teams - Maw is in at 34%, and the same for Maw & Mercy together, so a third of my battles are a coin toss - As expected Mercy is still everywhere, either in Maw teams, or with Mab and Valkyrie So oddly, progress is easier, as Mab may be over-powered but the AI cannot combo her well, so she’s easy enough to beat… and fewer Maw teams means fewer 15% sudden death matches… …that said, I am struggling to find the motivation to fight many more Mabs and Maws tonight… ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/0/06ab0ed1590d7eb5c27a8f5e9e8341e77e569fb5.jpg) [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504.md?page=7) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504.md?page=9)